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onifre
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Message 246 of 314 (653254)
02-19-2012 2:42 PM


America the Beautiful!!!
Hey, want to know what happens when you mix TacoBell and Doritos? Well wonder no more!
The Dorito Taco
That's right, Dorito on the outside, taco on the inside. And it's only $1.69 so it fits into a working families budget. I bet it taste just like diabetes. Mmmm goodness!
Healthcare for eveybody!!!
- Oni
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onifre
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Message 248 of 314 (653262)
02-19-2012 3:59 PM
Reply to: Message 247 by xongsmith
02-19-2012 3:32 PM


Re: America the Beautiful!!!
Ok.
Fuck you, you lazy asshole. ;-)
The time it took you to write that you could have done a few push ups. Just knocked out 30 myself with this post.
- Oni

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Message 250 of 314 (653353)
02-20-2012 10:36 AM
Reply to: Message 249 by Warthog
02-19-2012 5:01 PM


RE: taking care of your health
...and have you ever been a smoker, taken any non-prescribed drug, had an injury that restricts your mobility or had any history of mental illness?
Smokers aren't taking care of their health. Under my plan they wouldn't qualify 'till they kicked the habit. It's only fair that if you're inhaling smoke into your lungs and want to die then we should let you do that.
Why would you try to keep someone alive who made zero effort to keep themselves alive?
Healthcare should be a privilage rewarded to those who care about their health, not unhealthy slobs. And of course for the rich who get what they want anyway.
You've sidestepped the whole rational argument in this thread and gone back to shouting 'fat people don't deserve it'.
Not just fat people. Anyone who has no regard for their health seems illogical to offer them healthcare.
Why don't you address the actual argument rather than sticking your fingers in your ears and repeating the same drivel over and over?
Don't tell me what to do.
I rest my case on Dorito Taco.
- Oni

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onifre
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Message 254 of 314 (653915)
02-25-2012 12:21 PM
Reply to: Message 252 by Warthog
02-21-2012 3:35 AM


RE: taking care of your health
But quitting isn't enough. It also takes years for the health effects to go away.
Well I'm trying to not be ridiculous and unreasonable over here.
Sure it takes a while, but it's a start. Get them off the butts and onto an intense cardio workout 7 days a week and a zero carb diet, and I think after a year of that they should be able to qualify for health insurance. See, very reasonable.
I also mentioned other drugs, injuries and mental illness as examples. How would you address these things? What about the suicidal depressive? Do they not 'deserve' help?
Well this isn't "health" as per physical issues, but rather mental issues that are separate problems. But it is documented FACT that a heathy diet and exercising program is a cure for depression. Look it up, I've already wasted too much time explaining that on this thread.
The problem with your argument is that you're taking what most people consider to be a basic human right and turning into a mechanism for control of peoples lives.
Not at all, I'm only suggesting my plan under a FREE healthcare program. If you're paying for your insurance than be as unhealthy as you want to be, as most Americans are. But if the government has to carry the burden of insuring it's citizens, then YES, it's only fair that everyone get healthy before they qualify so the cost is not as much on the tax payer.
Oni writes:
Don't tell me what to do.
Warthog writes:
Why? Does it make any difference?
Did I mention not to sass me either? Well don't.
- Oni

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onifre
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Message 255 of 314 (653917)
02-25-2012 12:42 PM
Reply to: Message 253 by Taq
02-21-2012 5:41 PM


RE: taking care of your health
What about the people who smoke and want to live?
By default, if you like pumping smoke into your lungs on a daily basis you don't have a concern for living.
Anyone ingesting cyanide doesn't want to live. That the effects of death are slower in one than the other doesn't make the concern for life any more or less.
I would count eating food, drinking fluids, looking both ways before crossing a street, and respiring as a minimal effort to stay alive. Don't you?
I was going for effect. Hater.
I guess we should only let people into rehab if they don't use drugs, right?
Now that's just silly. I'm only talking physical health not mental anyway. Mental is different. But can be cured through a good workout plan so, you know, that solves all those problems.
The fact of the matter is that we will all need healthcare at some point. Health care should be given based on need, not on a moral judgement of someone's behavior. Access to healthcare is as much a privilege as access to basic education. IOW, there shouldn't be a hurdle in place based on class. That is where our healtcare system is going, a situation where there are have's and have not's based on class. This country faced a similar issue at the turn of the 20th century where emancipated slaves and the poor did not have access to schools while the well off did. The solution was to offer basic education to everyone through public education and pay for it with a progressive tax. I don't see why we can't do the same for health care.
That's very well said and I'm almost all for it. I just don't see why, if we're going to be taxed for it, we can't demand that people get healthy in so much as what they can control? Zero fast food, no unhealthy foods sold in stores or even produced (chips, soda, cookies, pasta, rice, donuts, honeybuns, Kit-Kats, Oreos, etc.) and everyone should take an hour out of the day for exercising. People would barely need healthcare and then the burden on the American public is reduced. You can use those taxes for other things, like education or better gyms.
I mean, beach season is coming and frankly it grosses me out when I see unfit people there. We all have to suffer with that and it's unfair.
- Oni

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onifre
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Message 257 of 314 (653919)
02-25-2012 1:24 PM
Reply to: Message 256 by hooah212002
02-25-2012 1:15 PM


RE: taking care of your health
You show me a "happy" healthy person and I'll show you an even happier drunk. The drunk is 10 times more fun too.
Yeah but we can't all be high school guidance councelors. Not everyone should try to be a functioning alcoholic. Granted, 80% of Americans do try.
Cocaine and alcohol are great cures for boredom, but I don't think they're as effective as a good cardio program when it comes to depression.
- Oni

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onifre
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Message 261 of 314 (654161)
02-27-2012 11:27 AM
Reply to: Message 259 by Omnivorous
02-25-2012 3:22 PM


RE: taking care of your health
Where are these documents kept?
I just read that in a Russian accent and man was it hilarious!
Anyway, as for the documents, don't worry, I got the documents. It's called Google, get with it.
Tryptamines are the only one-dose/long-acting cure for depression.
All other options are Band-Aids on gashes.
I see your documented proof is equal to mine.
Look, I go to the gym every morning, noon, and evening... I see people there... they dont look depressed, in fact, they look overwhelmingly happy. That's all the proof I need.
QED
- Oni

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onifre
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Message 262 of 314 (654163)
02-27-2012 11:49 AM
Reply to: Message 260 by Warthog
02-27-2012 7:15 AM


RE: taking care of your health
What happens when they have a stroke during their mandatory Physical Jerks? Remember that the risk of stroke is high for 5-15 years after quitting.
Hey, look, if we lose a few, so be it. In the end though, we'll have a great group of fit Americans who did make the cut. No pain no gain. And by "pain" I mean death.
Hang on - are you saying that an injury is a mental issue or that mental health isn't a physiological issue?
Don't get too far ahead of yourself, Warty. What I'm saying is complicated, it takes intelligence to follow. I'll slow it down for you because, frankly, I care.
Those with neurological disorders, like deep mental issues require different care. Now, do I feel we should burden ourselves with this? No. I would be happy to let nature remove those traits naturally from our species rather than have to care for them for a lifetime.
But aside from that, extreme, yet totally normal process of selection, I feel mentally challenged people require further help aside from just hitting the gym. But for everyone else in America, your problems can all be solved with some sit ups, push ups and jogging.
Don't have to look it up but for the sake of the argument...
Yes - exercise has a positive effect. There is even evidence that in cases of mild depression, exercise can be as effective as some antidepressants. This is hardly a cure all or there wouldn't be such a list of treatments used.. Note that this isn't because of Big Pharm or incompetent doctors but because different people suffering different conditions will respond to different treatments. Lack of exercise and general activity is actually a symptom of depression too.
Ok, so I can bend a little. Get your exercise game up a bit, lets see some real progress in the gluts, traps and the quads area, and the sad ones can get their happy pills. But you gotta work for it! This is America, the land where EVERYONE works hard for what they have. At least it used to be like that till you know who took over.
But the US government is the only government in the developed world which doesn't subsidise health care and Americans are the some of the more unhealthy people.
It's circular. We are so unfit that we CAN'T be insured through government subsidised healthcare. We are unhealthy because we eat the LARGEST portions of food in the WORLD. We have more Mc Donalds in the US than the ENTIRE world combined! The whole fucking world!
This is the reason we are unhealthy, because of Baconators and super sized meals and Dorito tacos and a burger between two donuts and deep fried Oreos and soda and chips and etc, etc, etc...
You can't possibly disagree with that. And if you do you're in denial as to what the actual healthcare issues are in America.
The healthcare issues in this country have LITTLE to do with the healthcare providers and EVERYTHING to do with our eating habits.
Don't tell me what to do.
My bad.
- Oni

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onifre
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Message 266 of 314 (654423)
03-01-2012 11:22 AM
Reply to: Message 263 by Warthog
02-29-2012 6:08 AM


RE: taking care of your health
So, you're still smoking then? Or was I right?
I quit a year ago. But in my defense, I jog 5 miles literally everyday. So my lungs have recuperated I'd say 95% of their original function and quality. If not 100%
Congratulations on your epiphany.
BTW - "mentally challenged people" is not in the PC newspeak dictionary. The preferred term is "potential axe murderer"
Or "shiny box enthusiast." But if they're reading this, you still need to work out guys. No one is off the hook!
You must know you're wrong. This is such a gross oversimplification that I just don't believe you really think that.
Oh it may be a tad oversimplified but for the most part I'm right on the money.
The fact that you're big fat slobs isn't the only reason you are unhealthy as a nation. It's important but hardly the only thing.
It's the main reason, and the one to seriously focus on.
Your system wouldn't work any better then the prohibition. People will lead healthy or unhealthy lifestyles regardless of the cost of future health care and by then, it's too late. They will simply not get the care or will bankrupt their family to get it. Of course this will happen after stalling a while for it to get worse (and more expensive to treat) because it might go away by itself. Usually, none of this will happen before they have reproduced and have dependents that will also suffer the consequences, so your Darwin Awards argument isn't valid.
I'm not so pessimistic. I have it on good authority that my plan, when implemented, will be successful. We'll go through a rough period, no doubt. Close to what you're describing. But after that tough road, we'll be better off with heathier humans, and in better shape. We can win this battle of making our beaches look better. And in the end, isn't that what it's all for?
I really don't get why Americans are so afraid of the idea of medical care for those in need rather than those in clover.
We have a fine healthcare system here. It WOULD work perfect if not for ALL the unhealthy people sucking the system dry. The biggest problem facing us is our unhealthy lifestyle and eating habits. Our larger than life portions and our fast food take over. If we get rid of all that crap, and make Americans fit, healthy, exercising people who eat right and stay away from fast food places, our currently available heathcare system would be more than adequate.
But under our current lifestyle, ANY healthcare plan you produce, whether giovernment funded or not, will eventually not be enough to keep up with these unhealthy animals.
- Oni

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onifre
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Message 268 of 314 (654584)
03-02-2012 8:08 AM
Reply to: Message 267 by Warthog
03-01-2012 2:16 PM


Mr. Obama tear down that Mc Donalds!
You don't qualify - your lungs have only improved by about 10% so far.
You can't possibly know that, you're just guessing. You don't have access to my medical records. Trust me when I tell you 95%.
You're not even close. Try again. Only 4.6% of preventable deaths are because of obesity in the US.
Well I didn't say anything about death. If everyone died that would be fine. It's that they don't die and they stick around in need of heath care treatment.
But let's look at the numbers:
Obesity in America
quote:
If health is wealth, America is going bankrupt. According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, more than one-third of adults and one sixth of children in America are obese.1 In the past twenty years, obesity rates doubled for adults and tripled for children. If these trends continue, by the time today’s children reach adulthood, obesity will be the norm and healthy weight the exception
Obesity increases risk of other chronic diseases
Of course, the rates of other chronic health conditions such as cancer, heart disease, diabetes, and high blood pressure are staggering as well. In 2004-2005, 60% of all Americans had at least one chronic health condition, 26% suffered from two or more chronic health conditions, and after age 55, those percentages rose to 78% and 47% respectively.6 All of these conditions - as well as stroke, depression, arthritis, and a host of others - are complications of obesity. 7 In other words, if you are overweight, you have an increased likelihood of also developing other chronic health problems.
In the United States today, 7 out of every 10 deaths are attributed to chronic disease. The World Health Organization estimates that by the year 2020, the rest of the world will have caught up with this number.8 For generations, America has been a world leader in the areas of technology, medical and scientific research, and higher education. But as we were spending billions of dollars and millions of man-hours solving the crises of infectious diseases around the world, a more silent, and more deadly, crisis grew in our own homes. And because of our influence, we are now leading the world towards a precipice of chronic disease.
Let's read the yellow highlighted part again:
In 2004-2005, 60% of all Americans had at least one chronic health condition, 26% suffered from two or more chronic health conditions, and after age 55, those percentages rose to 78% and 47% respectively. All of these conditions - as well as stroke, depression, arthritis, and a host of others - are complications of obesity.
ALL of these conditions are the result of complications with obesity. Even depression for all my doubters! Some one hand me a goddamn trophy for the work I've done in this thread, please!
So again, we don't need to focus on healthcare reform, we need to focus on eating reform.
So you're saying that the largest economy in the world can't support the health of it's population better than Canada or Finland. Right. Sure thing.
No no, you misunderstand. We have it TOO good here. We have TOO much. We have so much food here that we can't stop eating, and now can't cover the healthcare problems that have come about due to this type of eating habit.
No system can handle it. No system would be able to handle it. And there's no sense in even focusing on a NEW system if we're going to continue down this road. The old system works fine if people didn't eat so poorly.
I think this says it all: If these trends continue, by the time today’s children reach adulthood, obesity will be the norm and healthy weight the exception.
- Oni
If this doesn't get post of the month I don't know what will.
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onifre
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Message 272 of 314 (656516)
03-19-2012 1:28 PM
Reply to: Message 269 by Straggler
03-02-2012 1:34 PM


Re: Freemarket Foodity
Any healthcare system would work perfectly in the absence of any people that need healthcare.
Seems like you're trying harder than I am to make deeper sense of what I'm saying.
It's simple, healthy people require less healthcare. We in America are NOT healthy people, and not only that but make light of not being healthy.
Any healthcare system will fail under these conditions. We don't deserve universal healthcare.
But Oni that would involve interference in the free-market miracle of providing people with what they want on the basis of what sells best.
If marketed correctly, cyanide would be in every cereal too. Should we allow the idiots to run the asylum?
Why do you think America in particular suffers from the obesity problems you highlight?
18,500 Mc Donalds...more than the entire world combined, and I've done the math, it's more by more than double. This is where it all begins.
Fatties making fatty sandwiches and selling it to fatties in their cars. You tell me?
- Oni

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onifre
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Message 273 of 314 (656518)
03-19-2012 1:36 PM
Reply to: Message 270 by Warthog
03-07-2012 9:01 AM


Re: Mr. Obama tear down that Mc Donalds!
Wow. Statistics from a shop selling vegetarian food that show the benefits of vegetarianism. Riveting stuff.
I'm sorry, should I pull up Mc Donald's statistics?
I'm getting the sense that you're one of the fatties and are bother by health statistics.
I half agree - you need to do both.
We already have one of those, can't you understand that? We ALREADY HAVE HEATHCARE. It works fine. I covers everyone in your household just fine. When I had a regular job it covered me and my kids. No one ever went without. You're just jumping on the bandwagon of what you THINK America needs because it's the new flavor of the month. But you have no clue. You have no idea how healthcare works here, at least not from a first hand experience. It works fine for those who take care of themselves.
So we are left with the other, the poor eating habits. That one we haven't solved because every week there's a new taco at Taco Bell or crazy new burger invention.
- Oni

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onifre
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Message 278 of 314 (656624)
03-20-2012 4:18 PM
Reply to: Message 274 by Straggler
03-20-2012 2:42 PM


Muffin Tops and Skinny Jeans
Are these not valuable undertakings in your eyes?
Well, I don't see any core building workout plans or telling the kids in a forceful manner to get out there and jog, or do situps, but, yeah I guess it's a start. I'd take a more direct approach. Maybe some early morning PT will get those kids in shape sooner than never.
Do you have this sort of thing in the US?
No, not all. Maybe an eye exam by 4th grade if they're lucky. But mostly, our kids are given hours and hours of homework every night that leaves them zero time to workout.
Instead we need people to see themselves as having a social contract whereby they can see the benefits of collective healthcare for themselves and their families whilst also understanding that this also obligates them to not actively take the piss out of the system by fucking themselves up physically through relentless overeating.
It's not an easy sell. But if you genuinely want to change health attitudes you could do worse than take this sort of approach modeled on the Swedens and Norways of the world.
It's not an easy sell at all. Frankly, there isn't one peron in the US that doesn't already know everything you want to teach them. We're not dealing with children, we're dealing with adults that know all the right things to do but refuse to do it.
And don't get too comfy over there in your European skinny jeans, fats coming and it's bringing hell with it! It's on the rise in all of your countries. Even with all the preventative programs you may have. You guys are getting fatter. And why? Because you are adopting our fast food culture. Soon your health issues will increase as well, and your healthcare system will feel the pain.
Maybe more fat taxes?
All over the Western world there is a correlation between obesity and things like education and socio-economic background. Poor uneducated Westerners are getting fatter and fatter.
But there's only one reason for that, shitty food cost less. Dollar value meals at Mc Donalds, Wendy's and Burger King feed the poor. We discussed that here in one of the threads.
Fast food is the biggest problem in this culture and soon in yours too.
You want to sit people down and explain to them not to eat garbage and to please workout like they've never heard this before, go right ahead. But nothing will come of that.
My plan is simple. Shut down fast food places and make it illegal to produce harmful food.
And how is universal healthcare not part of that solution in the way it seems to be in more healthy nations?
I like the healthcare we have in this country, it works fine. I don't know why you insist on us having your style healthcare?
And, you only get to call yourselves healthy nations for now, but just wait. Your bragging will cease as soon as you get the Baconator.
News - Medical: Its not just the Americans - Europeans are getting fat too!
quote:
The findings were released as the 25-nation European Union announced an initiative to enlist the food and marketing industries in the fight against fat. Obesity is especially acute in Mediterranean countries, raising concerns that people in the southern region are turning away from the traditional diet of fish, fruits and vegetables to fast food high in fat and refined carbohydrates.
Fast food!!! It will kill us all, but in a legal, free-market kinda way. Hopefully there's enough insulin for all of us.
- Oni
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Message 282 of 314 (656653)
03-20-2012 5:47 PM
Reply to: Message 281 by Taq
03-20-2012 5:23 PM


Re: Mr. Obama tear down that Mc Donalds!
We are also paying twice as much per capita as countries who do have universal health coverage. So we spend twice as much and we are still leaving 1/6th of our population out in the cold.
Well yeah! I get all that. The problem is affordability. People can't afford the healthcare provided here in the US so, 40-50 million go without.
Why though?
Well here's the reason:
Rising obesity will cost U.S. health care $344 billion a year
quote:
If Americans continue to pack on pounds, obesity will cost the USA about $344 billion in medical-related expenses by 2018, eating up about 21% of health-care spending, says the first analysis to estimate the future medical costs of excess weight.
"Obesity is going to be a leading driver in rising health-care costs," says Kenneth Thorpe, chairman of the department of health policy and management at Emory University in Atlanta.
"There is a tsunami of chronic preventable disease about to be unleashed into our medical-care system which is increasingly unaffordable," says Reed Tuckson of United Health Foundation
An obese person will have an average of $8,315 in medical bills a year in 2018 compared with $5,855 for an adult at a healthy weight. That's a difference of $2,460.
If the percentage of obese adults doesn't change but stays at the current rate of 34%, then excess weight will cost the nation about $198 billion by 2018.
If the obesity rate continues to rise until 2018, then Colorado may be the only state with less than 30% of residents who are obese.
Health economist Eric Finkelstein, co-author of The Fattening of America, says medical costs won't go down unless Americans make a serious effort "to slim down by improving their diet and exercise patterns."
Our healthcare system is not working.
Don't blame the system, blame the fatties who are making it impossible to provide healthcare for the population.
If we adopt the universal heathcare system in the UK or other countries, funded by our taxes, we still won't be able to keep up with the cost increase as Americans get fatter. The only solution then will be to raise taxes further to cover the cost. Sounds like a terrible idea and not one that I can support.
Workout, eat healthy, make fast food (poison) illegal, and then you'll see a cheaper overall healthcare cost affordable to everyone.
- Oni

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Message 284 of 314 (656659)
03-20-2012 6:04 PM
Reply to: Message 283 by 1.61803
03-20-2012 5:55 PM


Re: Mr. Obama tear down that Mc Donalds!
How do you know it is not some sinister governmental conspiracy to let the gluttonous "fattys" fressen themselves into the grave and thereby liberating our country of their ruinous heath care cost.
Is it possible the government is secretly lowering the cost of hazardous, toxic foods?
Oh hey, if it is, smart on the part of the government. I'm all for letting people who want to kill themselves do so. But don't come begging for the insulin when you got a greasy burger tucked away in your fanny pack.
Fat people usually wear fanny packs.
- Oni

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