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Author Topic:   Where are all the apes leading up to humans?
Panda
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Message 5 of 67 (653302)
02-19-2012 8:51 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by CrytoGod
02-19-2012 6:25 PM


CrytoGod writes:

How come there is no ape species more human like than chimps or bonobos?


There used to be more human-like apes but they are all now extinct.
We do not know for sure why they became extinct.
But, as a species, we tend to react to direct competition with deadly force, so that could be one possible answer.

Currently we are wiping out the other apes (e.g Oran Utan, Mountain Gorilla, etc.)
When we have wiped out all the other great apes will you then be asking "Why are there no ape species even close to being like us?"
Or will you realise that species that get in our way have a tendency to become extinct?

CrytoGod writes:

You would expect to find living gradations of species leading up to human, right?


Wrong. More species have become extinct than are currently in existence.
Most species have become extinct - there is no reason for our cousins to have been exempt from that.

Edited by Panda, : No reason given.


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Message 15 of 67 (653315)
02-19-2012 11:38 PM
Reply to: Message 9 by CrytoGod
02-19-2012 10:28 PM


It would help if you replied to each person in separate threads - but I'll pick out my bits...

CTG writes:

Panda writes:

There used to be more human-like apes but they are all now extinct.


Why of course they just so happen to be extinct.

Yes they do.
Is childish sarcasm the only argument you have against this?

CTG writes:

Panda writes:

Currently we are wiping out the other apes (e.g Oran Utan, Mountain Gorilla, etc.)


Last I read we are preserving and protecting many ape species.

Then you need to read more recently.
Most great apes are endangered and many are critically endangered.
"Critically Endangered means that a species' numbers have decreased, or will decrease, by 80% within three generations."
We wipe out competing species. That is a fact.

CTG writes:

Panda writes:

Wrong. More species have become extinct than are currently in existence.
Most species have become extinct - there is no reason for our cousins to have been exempt from that.


Scientific evidence for your claim please?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fossil_primates
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_primates

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Message 24 of 67 (653370)
02-20-2012 12:11 PM
Reply to: Message 22 by CrytoGod
02-20-2012 12:07 PM


CTG writes:

It is well known the fossil record doesn't support the fossil record


And I think this sums up exactly how much effort you put into your posts.

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Message 53 of 67 (653450)
02-21-2012 8:17 AM
Reply to: Message 52 by Tangle
02-21-2012 6:36 AM


Re: Competition & Extinction
Tangle writes:

The red squirrel now only survives is the South of England is preservation sites and it's future is not at all certain.


I think squirrels in the UK are a good example of competition in nature - particularly since the grey squirrels are now being out-competed by black squirrels.

But it will be wasted on the likes of CTG.


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Panda
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Message 55 of 67 (653454)
02-21-2012 9:06 AM
Reply to: Message 54 by RAZD
02-21-2012 8:46 AM


Re: Competition & Extinction
RAZD writes:

And then there are the numerous examples of species introduced by modern man into island habitats, australia, south and north america ...

There is so much documented evidence even from only the last 100 years that only blind willful ignorance can deny it.


True, but one aspect I think is different to most of those is that the changes in squirrel population are all within living memory.

Fundamentalists often complain that "No-one was there to see it!" but the squirrel example has been witnessed first-hand by many people.


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