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Author Topic:   Evidence for a recent flood
Portillo
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Message 349 of 404 (652886)
02-16-2012 4:55 PM
Reply to: Message 341 by Coyote
02-16-2012 12:12 AM


Re: Fossil formation
quote:
Floods create completely different conditions. A flood will mix materials of different sizes, jumbling them all together and, in the case of large animals, probably rip them apart. The fossils I have seen are mostly in well-sorted sediments, being fine sands and silts.
If you put various sediments in a blender and then lay them down with water, they will all go back neatly into layers. Kids can do this experiment at home!

And the conspiracy was strong, for the people increased continually - 2 Samuel 15:12

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Portillo
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Message 358 of 404 (652960)
02-17-2012 1:26 AM
Reply to: Message 346 by Panda
02-16-2012 6:45 AM


Strong and bitter words indicate a weak cause.
You are NOT here for a debate - friendly or otherwise.
You have ignored all the friendly and polite answers to your questions, and instead reply to just the snarky ones.
This simply makes you look like a troll.
Do you have any idea what its like to be at this forum, surrounded by thousands of evolutionists? Its not easy you know.

And the conspiracy was strong, for the people increased continually - 2 Samuel 15:12

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Portillo
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Message 362 of 404 (652982)
02-17-2012 5:25 AM
Reply to: Message 361 by Panda
02-17-2012 4:44 AM


Re: Strong and bitter words indicate a weak cause.
Its not easy to answer every reply. I have no intention of living in this forum.

And the conspiracy was strong, for the people increased continually - 2 Samuel 15:12

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Portillo
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Message 367 of 404 (653066)
02-17-2012 7:23 PM
Reply to: Message 363 by Percy
02-17-2012 9:20 AM


Re: Strong and bitter words indicate a weak cause.
The only place that the geological column exists in its entirety with all 12 layers in order, is in the textbooks. It doesnt exist anywhere on planet earth. The only place that the fossil record is found as it is portrayed in charts, exists only in the textbooks. It doesnt exist anywhere on planet earth.
In order for there to have been a recent world-wide flood, generations of geologists and their research going back to the late 1700's would have to be wildly wrong. For so many geologists over so long a period of time to be so wrong would require the source of the error to be incredibly well hidden.
Great question. Why dont geologists believe in the flood. If it was true then surely geologists would have discovered evidence for it. What was Charles Lyell's motivations for believing in millions of years of geological activity? Afterall, his theory came long before radiometric dating methods and other experiments to date rocks. Lyell's theory of millions of years had nothing to do with that. Lyell said in a letter that he wanted to "free science from Moses". In another letter he said, "I conceived the ideas five or six years ago, that if ever the Mosaic geology could be set down or put aside without giving offence, it would be in an historical sketch". In other words he wanted to rewrite the history of the past.
So what is the evidence for a flood? The flood was not a gentle event, it was a violent, volcanic event. It involved lots of water churning and incredible amounts of sediment. You find massive fossil graveyards all over the earth. Thousands of dead animals buried and squashed together. Mass mortality. Fish fossilized by the trillions! Marine fossils found on continents, proving that conditions were different in the past. Fossils show signs of horrible, painful deaths. Drowning, choking and being crushed to death. Here is struthiomimus in a death pose. Drowning and gasping for air while being covered in sediment.
Some type of catastrophic-extinction has occured.
Edited by Portillo, : No reason given.

And the conspiracy was strong, for the people increased continually - 2 Samuel 15:12

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Portillo
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Message 369 of 404 (653076)
02-17-2012 8:57 PM
Reply to: Message 368 by Percy
02-17-2012 7:40 PM


Re: Strong and bitter words indicate a weak cause.
You guys and girls are funny. I reply to a post I get criticised. I dont reply to a post I get criticised. I get insulted, yet if I reply to an insult I get criticised.

And the conspiracy was strong, for the people increased continually - 2 Samuel 15:12

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Portillo
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Message 395 of 404 (653326)
02-20-2012 5:38 AM
Reply to: Message 371 by Percy
02-17-2012 9:21 PM


Re: Strong and bitter words indicate a weak cause.
quote:
We can tell from your last post that you still believe the geologic record is consistent with a flood, but you ignored all the posts explaining why a flood doesn't deposit sediments in ways that resemble the layers of the geologic record. How much credit do you think you deserve for ignoring all this information? If what we post to you doesn't matter, why should we bother?
In 1980, Mount St Helens blew its top. Exploding with the force of 20,000,000 tonnes of TNT, equivalent to 1500 atomic bombs. The eruption produced mudflows and melted the ice and snow caps. So you had all this water, mud, landslide and volcanic material, rolling down the hill, destroying everything in its path. It also produced sedimentary layers. You wouldnt think that a volcanic eruption would create layers. Because layers usually signify a year or a long period of time, but this took place in 3 hours. And when scientists looked at Mount St Helens, they found thousands of layers, including layers inside of layers.
If a scientist looked at Mount St Helens and didnt know how it had originally formed. The answer would be that every layer took a long period of time to form. That means that Mount St Helens took thousands of years to form! When you drop sediments through flowing water, you can get multiple layers to form at the same time. So one layer doesnt have to form first and after a period of time another. Another mudflow eruption in 1982, carved out a network of canyons in a single day. The key is that we know how it happened. So when a scientist asks how did this happen, but didnt know how it formed. The answer would be that a little stream eroded the canyon over millions of years.
Catastrophic conditions can create geological features that dont take long periods of time. The flood had similar conditions in which layers where formed all over the earth.
Edited by Portillo, : No reason given.
Edited by Portillo, : No reason given.

And the conspiracy was strong, for the people increased continually - 2 Samuel 15:12

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Portillo
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Message 396 of 404 (653327)
02-20-2012 5:42 AM
Reply to: Message 347 by Percy
02-16-2012 8:40 AM


Re: La Brea Tarpits
This is just a slight modification to your previous statement ("no fossils forming today" became "very few") with no hint that you read any of the responses.
Rather than forcing people to repeat what they said, if you haven't already perhaps you could go back and read the responses, and then if you still think that "very few fossils are formed today" you could explain what makes you think this is true.
I made a mistake to say that NO fossils are being formed in the present. Certainly not in the millions like in the past. Why arent fossils being formed as much as in the past? Its because fossil formation requires certain types of conditions that arent always available. In order to form a fossil you have to bury it quickly enough so that scavengers dont eat it. You need to bury it deeply enough so that you retard bacterial decay and then you have enough time for water to replace the organic structure with mineral structures. So if you bury a fossil quickly and deeply enough, you will have a good fossil.
There has been a series of catastrophic-extinction events that occured in the past that have created most of the fossil record, or maybe one big catastrophic-extinction.
Edited by Portillo, : No reason given.

And the conspiracy was strong, for the people increased continually - 2 Samuel 15:12

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Portillo
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Message 402 of 404 (653407)
02-20-2012 7:10 PM


In summation, I hope we all had fun discussing the Genesis flood. The topic is as relevant as this mornings sunshine.

And the conspiracy was strong, for the people increased continually - 2 Samuel 15:12

  
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