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dwise1
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Message 351 of 357 (653737)
02-24-2012 12:49 AM
Reply to: Message 349 by hugenot
02-23-2012 11:01 PM


Ah, you poor ignorant fool.
Kent Hovind is a convicted tax fraud; I think he has served about one year of his ten-year sentence in federal prison. He would repeat just about any creationist lie that he heard. Some skeptics in New Mexico fabricated an April Fool's Day hoax in order to test creationist gullibility, "Onyate Man", a fossil human being eaten by a fossilized T.Rex; one foot missing as appropriate for the Oate reference. As eager as creationists were for it to be true, they didn't jump on it immediately. Well, except for Hovind who, minutes after having first heard about it, included it in his "seminar" presentation in Philadelphia. When circa 2002 Answers in Genesis published an article listing creationist claims that were false and hence creationists should stop using them, he lashed out at them because many of his own claims were on that list; IOW, even other creationists know that his claims are bogus. He starts out saying that he taught high school math and science for 15 years. More like 13 years. And the only reason he had that job was because it was his own private school. Are you fooled by that "Dr" he would brandy about? Does that make you think he's a scientist? The only science education he got was in his first two years at a community college. His PhD, questionable as it is to begin with, was in religious education, as was his master's from the same diploma mill and his bachelor's from an unaccredited Baptist college.
Since I don't have two hours to waste watching that video (I've watched several hours of his "seminar tapes" downloaded from his site), does he do the "leap second" claim? The one where he claims a high rate at which the earth's rotation is slowing? A rate that is about 1800 times greater than the real rate which is constantly being measured empirically by direct observation conducted by the International Earth Rotation and Reference Systems Service (IERS), which is how they work out when and whether to add another leap second. A claim that is so blatantly and obviously bogus that its originator, most likely Walter Brown circa 1979, has dropped it and makes no mention of it since it was first soundly refuted in 1982. Yet not only would Kent Hovind continue to use it, but make it a central argument.
And did he also include the rate at which the sun is losing mass as it "burns its fuel"? 5 million tons per second (a scosh higher than the actual 4.2-4.6 million ton rate, depending on which kind of ton you're using). He would just wave his hands and state that the ancient sun's gravity would have been so great that it would have "sucked the earth in". Plus he would try to tie that in with the tired old bogus "shrinking sun" claim that was refuted in 1980, the same year it came out. Well, if you were to do the math, you would find that regardless of how impressive the total amount of mass lost in 5 billion years (a scosh higher than the actual 4.5 billion) may appear to his unschooled unthinking audience, it is actually only a few hundredths of one percent of the sun's total mass. So how much would the ancient sun have "sucked the earth in"? about 60,000 miles. Our planet's orbit varies by 3 million miles every year, being closest to the sun circa 04 January. I contacted Hovind about this claim in order to ask him about his calculations. He did everything he could to avoid responding, including twice trying to pick a fight with me over my email address (same as my moniker here). As far as I could tell, he thought both that the sun burns on its surface through combustion and that he thought that combustion caused the annihilation of the fuel's mass. And this turkey taught high school science for 13 years? Those poor, poor students!
Your pathetic list is one of the reasons why creationist is one of the leading contributors to the growth and spread of atheism. Anyone with a modicum of science education would look at that list and see it for the crap that it is. And, given by creationists the choice of accepting that list or become atheists, they will decide as elementary school students have been documented as have chosen when pressured to by "public school" creationist materials: "Well if religion wants me to believe something so ridiculous, then I choose atheism."
BTW, the necessity of that choice is yet another creationist lie. Thank you very much for your continuing support to the cause against religion.
What an amazing lie from satans' hellish mind!
Several years ago, a Christian presented this to me. He stated that Satan creates lies in pairs. One lie is the true and truly pernicious lie while the other is an outrageous lie that he uses to trick believers into embracing the truly pernicious lie. Creationism is the truly pernicious lie while creationism's lies are designed to alarm the faithful in order to trick them into embracing creationism. Which among other things tells them that the world must be different than it actually is and if the world is actually the way it is then Scripture has no meaning and you should become an atheist. Nor am I making any of that up, since that is exactly what I've been told repeatedly by creationists.
But, as has been pointed out, this is off-topic.
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