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dwise1 Member Posts: 6190 Joined: Member Rating: 5.4
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Interesting. Do you know the history of the adoption of the term? Would be interesting to know. For example, I believe it was Spencer who came up with the term "survival of the fittest."
For the sake of creationist lurkers, whether it was Darwin himself or somebody else who adopted the pre-existing term, "evolution", to its use in biological evolution does not detract from the point I was making.
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Percy Member Posts: 23164 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.7
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According to the Wikipedia article on The Origin or Species, the 6th edition was the first to use the word evolution.
--Percy
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Dr Jack Member Posts: 3514 From: Immigrant in the land of Deutsch Joined: |
That's slightly ironic then, since my copy is the sixth edition.
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Portillo Member (Idle past 4482 days) Posts: 258 Joined: |
Now, using the above, show me where dwise1 says that evolution ONLY means biological evolution in ANY context. As far as I can see he says that "FOR US", meaning those who accept biological evolution, evolution means biological evolution. Given the forum this is stated on and the subject under discussion, that statement is true. Right here.
quote: It doesnt say for the purpose of this forum or for the purpose of this thread. It says the definition of "evolution". This forum does not just discuss biological evolution as this sub-forum shows. Edited by Portillo, : No reason given. Edited by Portillo, : No reason given.And the conspiracy was strong, for the people increased continually - 2 Samuel 15:12
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Modulous Member (Idle past 306 days) Posts: 7801 From: Manchester, UK Joined: |
Interesting. Do you know the history of the adoption of the term? Gould is your man quote: quote: quote: quote: It goes on.
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Portillo Member (Idle past 4482 days) Posts: 258 Joined: |
quote: Im not trying to confuse anyone. A term like evolution has many meanings, even in science. These meanings can change very rapidly. Evolution occurs when a baby is born, evolution occurs when dogs breed, evolution occurs when a farmer sprays crop with pesticide, evolution occurs when theres been change over time, the beginning of the universe is evolution. Edited by Portillo, : No reason given.And the conspiracy was strong, for the people increased continually - 2 Samuel 15:12
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Trixie Member (Idle past 4027 days) Posts: 1011 From: Edinburgh Joined:
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1. Your link to a "subforum" isn't working.
2. How come you're the only one claiming that dwise1 said this and everybody else understands exactly what he is saying? 3. You're wrong. Try reading for context and comprehension next time. You're doing exactly what dwise1 claimed creationists do ![]() This is similar to the problems we have encountered with abiogenesis, biogenesis, biopoesis, cosmic slime and all the other words that creationists throw around without fully undersanding what they mean. Tell you what, you continue to use and understand evolution in your broad interpretation. None of our posts will make sense to you, but hey, you get to decide your very own pet meaning of evolution. None of your posts will make sense to anyone else, mind you.
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4597 From: Oregon, USA Joined: |
Trixie writes: Tell you what, you continue to use and understand evolution in your broad interpretation. None of our posts will make sense to you, but hey, you get to decide your very own pet meaning of evolution. None of your posts will make sense to anyone else, mind you. Good job!I think you have summed up in three sentences what has happened in almost every discussion with every creationist that I have read since I started hanging out here. ![]() What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
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Percy Member Posts: 23164 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.7
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Portillo writes: Im not trying to confuse anyone. A term like evolution has many meanings, even in science. These meanings can change very rapidly. Evolution occurs when a baby is born, evolution occurs when dogs breed, evolution occurs when a farmer sprays crop with pesticide, evolution occurs when theres been change over time, the beginning of the universe is evolution. You're not causing any confusion about the definition of evolution. You're causing confusion by accusing Dwise1 of claiming that we evolutionists always use the biological definition of evolution no matter the context. I don't understand why you're doing this. You're not fooling anyone, you're just distracting from the topic by accusing someone of saying something so incredibly stupid that everyone has to respond. Of course, we all know that when creationists say religion they always mean Christianity, no matter the context. ![]() --Percy
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Portillo Member (Idle past 4482 days) Posts: 258 Joined: |
So let me get this straight. When this forum discusses evolution, it is primarily talking about biological evolution. However, evolution can be used in other contexts aswell.
Is that right?And the conspiracy was strong, for the people increased continually - 2 Samuel 15:12
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2428 days) Posts: 6117 Joined:
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So let me get this straight. When this forum discusses evolution, it is primarily talking about biological evolution. However, evolution can be used in other contexts aswell. Is that right? When scientists define terms they do so to increase precision and clarity and to reduce ambiguity. Why do creationists feel the need to redefine terms that are already well-defined?Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
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Percy Member Posts: 23164 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.7
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Hi Portillo,
All Dwise1 was saying was that in the context of the dialog you were involved in, biological evolution was meant. It apparently seemed to him that you weren't taking context into account in deciding which definition of evolution was in play. Why on earth you would conclude that someone said something so stupid as insisting on a single definition regardless of context I have no idea. Congratulations - I no longer recall what we were talking about originally. --Percy
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Warthog Member (Idle past 4290 days) Posts: 84 From: Earth Joined:
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Seeing as you completely ignored my last post and continued along on your merry way, I'll recap.
quote: So, a bit at a time...
quote: Let's hope so.
quote: Yes, generally that's true. In almost every case, in fact. In this thread in particular, it should be noted that the term was defined in the OP. quote: Of course it can. When I am talking sociology, I can refer to the development of mythological constructs as evolution. Nobody then mentions DNA or fossils as anyone with basic comprehension skills understands the term in context. They also know I'm not talking about a car. Why do you feel the need to confound a perfectly rational discussion with diversions like this?Ignorance is a Tragedy Willful Ignorance is a Sin
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dwise1 Member Posts: 6190 Joined: Member Rating: 5.4 |
When scientists define terms they do so to increase precision and clarity and to reduce ambiguity.
Because their mission is to deceive the public and themselves and to fool the public into supporting their political agenda. That requires decreasing precision and clarity and increasing ambiguity. That is the only way that they can keep the public (and themselves) totally confused.
Why do creationists feel the need to redefine terms that are already well-defined?
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Portillo Member (Idle past 4482 days) Posts: 258 Joined:
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quote: I wasnt trying to divert anything, I was just discussing. You guys and girls are the ones that get your panties in a twist. And the conspiracy was strong, for the people increased continually - 2 Samuel 15:12
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