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Author Topic:   Which animals would populate the earth if the ark was real?
frako
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Message 53 of 991 (628675)
08-12-2011 6:31 AM
Reply to: Message 51 by Maryanne
08-12-2011 5:58 AM


I believe the flood occurred only in the then-known world.
Known by who?
the eskimos, africans, native americans, indians, arabs, chinese, europeans, slavs, norse,......
if by all of them then its a global flood, if just by some then no need for an ark

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Message 59 of 991 (654566)
03-02-2012 5:38 AM
Reply to: Message 56 by Robert Byers
08-16-2011 11:03 PM


The bible says there were seven pairs of the clean and two of the unclean. It doesn't say what clean/unclean were.
I think the problem with the lack of genetic diversity would mean that NO animals would populate the earth after the flood.

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Message 463 of 991 (706255)
09-08-2013 8:54 PM
Reply to: Message 460 by mindspawn
09-08-2013 8:27 PM


Re: If the ARK was real here is what we must see.
Humans show an absolute and extreme bottleneck. It is scientific fact that all humans come from one man. The timeframes are extremely debatable.
Coming from one man and bottlenecking is not the same thing.
roughly 8% of all men in a larg region in asia 0.5% of world total are descendants of Genghis Kahn. At least thats what genetics say. Now there was no lack of men or lack of people it was just that Genghis Kahn screwed alot of women who had alot of children who screwed loads more because of their power provided by their status...
Bottlenecking can be seen in a species like the Wison (european bison) it almost went extinct all of the bison living today came from 12 individuals and you can see their low genetic variation, and they are having problems to reproduce.
On the other hand humans show a long bottleneck where for a long period of time there where only 2000-10 000 individuals for possibly as long as 100 000 years.

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Message 475 of 991 (706275)
09-09-2013 6:13 AM
Reply to: Message 473 by mindspawn
09-09-2013 5:41 AM


Re: If the ARK was real here is what we must see.
Population bottleneck - Wikipedia
A population bottleneck is a sharp reduction in size of a population due to environmental stochastic events (such as earthquakes, floods, fires, or droughts) or human activities
It is the same thing. An earlier bottleneck of females is detected (let's call her Eve), followed by a later bottleneck of males (Noah)
As iv said coming from one man and bottlenecking inst the same thing your wiki quote agrees with me. One is a single individual responsible for all later ofspring of the species. Say if ghengis khans ofspring continue doing their grate work of making babies at the same pace in 80 000 years everyone will be descendant from Genghis khan. that does not meen every other lineage will die out they will just merge as a descendant of ghengis kahn sleeps with your daughter the child will be a descendant of you and of Genghis Kahn.
Mitochondrial Eve
On the other hand, the most recent common ancestor to father an unbroken line of males, "Y-chromosome Adam," appears to have lived only about half as long ago as Eve. This means that another bottleneck, besides the one surrounding Eve, affected the human lineage after her. The fact that the bottleneck in Adam's day appears not to have produced also a matrilineal ancestor of all living humans - a more recent Eve, in other words - illustrates that the branching and disappearance of lineages depends on chance (alternatively, male lineages may dwindle faster, perhaps due to a history of polygamy, which would have allowed only a proportion of males to produce offspring). Some researchers say evidence of this second bottleneck exists also in the mitochondrial DNA data. It is also possible that the mismatched dates of Eve and Adam may illustrate the imperfectness of the molecular clock technique, which continues to undergo revisions
Or it could just be that we underwent a verry long bottleneck
On the other hand, in 2000, a Molecular Biology and Evolution paper suggested a transplanting model or a 'long bottleneck' to account for the limited genetic variation, rather than a catastrophic environmental change.[7] This would be consistent with suggestions that in sub-Saharan Africa numbers could have dropped at times as low as 2,000, for perhaps as long as 100,000 years, before numbers began to expand again in the Late Stone Age.[8]
Population bottleneck - Wikipedia
Same wiki site
That's according to evolutionary timeframes. Bison and cheetahs show a recent bottleneck of the last few hundred years. Other mammals show thousands of years of diversity, reflected in germline mutations within species. This is consistent with biblical timelines. If you claim no bottleneck, please provide evidence. The first to make a claim must post their evidence.
Dint say there was no bottleneck i just said .... ah forget it you know what i said.
We would expect 28 (14 x 2) or less alleles in each position for each species on the ark (large mammals)
Ok why would you expect that?
And how many Large mamals would you fit on the ark? and the amount of food you would need to feed them please.

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frako
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Message 870 of 991 (709157)
10-22-2013 7:14 AM
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10-22-2013 6:52 AM


Re: Uniformity assumptions...
I have a Muon theory. Muons produce many neutrons, neutrons slow down decay.
Well you theory is wrong. Muons decay in to neutrinos not neutrons specificity 2 neutrinos and one electron. About 65 billion neutrinos pass trough every square centimetre of the earth every SECOND. Damm its a wonder we even get our nuclear reactors running if they slow down the decay rate. O yes, they don't.
Oh and we use NEUTRONS to start nuclear decay in reactors we fire them at uranium -235 that causes that particular atom to decay and release more neutrons that hit other atoms cause them to decay and release more neutrons ......

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frako
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Message 882 of 991 (709202)
10-22-2013 12:55 PM
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10-22-2013 7:47 AM


Re: Uniformity assumptions...
Muons give us energetic neutrons through fusion. They also generate neutrons in other ways as well.
Yea the illusive almost cold fusion too bad we are living in the wrong time or we would have energy independence.
And its not 300 times but the muon has a 1% chance of getting "stuck" so if its a lucky muon it can do this forever if its not only once.
With specifically heavy isotopes, neutrons can maintain their instability through neutron capture. ie the unstable parent isotope through the capture of neutrons cannot decay into the daughter isotope until the neutron bombardment stop
This is the first im hearing of this unless you are talking about processes that happen in stars and super nova inapplicable on in nature on earth.
P.s. how strong do you think this neutron bombardment was to be able to do this and how bad was the resulting radiation?

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