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Message 120 of 194 (628573)
08-10-2011 4:29 PM
Reply to: Message 119 by Taq
08-10-2011 1:10 PM


Re: A belief named Natural selection theory for the origin of the Human body
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Distinction between Two Criterias

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Criteria I – (based on a belief) – Something that could rarely occur, eg. annihilation on a global scale, that occurs often enough over 55 thousand years.

Criteria II – Something that occurs often and constantly indeed: Human population has never stopped growing.

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Taq writes:

.. Human populations can go from 1 million to 10,000 in a single year ..

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This is the criteria that the representants of the Natural selection theory for the origin of the Human body have often presented:

as you stated, let’s all consider (or believe) that something which very rarely happens would often occur during over 55 thousand years, that would be the believed reason why, when Earth's population was at 10,000 inhabitants, it would have taken over 55 thousand years to reach 1 million.

Just as the father of the beliefs/lies said, Everything is possible if one work up a strong belief! Something occuring that would drastically bring down the population and would be something that occured with regularity.

The only Diagnostic left: The Natural selection theory for the origin of the Human body became obsolete because it’s grasping at straws and causing people to work up a strong belief:

• something that could rarely occur, eg annihilation on a global scale, that occurs often enough over 55 thousand years, that could be the only thing that would wipe out enough of the human population to bring it down to 10,000 from a million, let's say, but for that event to occur with regularity is totally ridiculous, but it's so much easier to swallow that camel.

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Message 123 of 194 (628637)
08-11-2011 4:27 PM
Reply to: Message 122 by Coyote
08-10-2011 10:19 PM


Human population on a global scale never stopped growing
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Coyote,

Due to the perspective presented by the Natural selection theory for the origin of the Human body; that there would have been families of Humans multiplying on this Earth for over 150 thousand years,

the authors of the same theory, based on the above info, should bring up what’s the approximate number of population of Humans that would have multiplied 70 thousand years ago, but they have presented no numbers at all for two reasons:

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I – because they were not asked nor inquired to do so;

II – they would not do it anyway because it would be the same as to produce proof against themselves.

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Therefore, it is not incoherent to state that the authors of such theory for the origin of the Human body would never admit that the Human population on a global scale never stopped growing, and they would not bring up any list of numbers so that they may not produce proof against themselves, because the many jobs and the reputation of many Universities come first in the rank of things that matters more, followed by the sponsorships and sales of many books about the origin of the Human body.

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Coyote writes:

But what you are trying to tell us ..
.. Could you try again, please? Maybe I have just misread what you posted.

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No matter what approximate numbers are brought up, such theory for the origin of the Human body will still require a strong belief that when Earth's population was at 10,000 inhabitants that it would have taken over 55 thousand years to reach 1 million.

As it was cleared up, the following numbers are just approximate numbers based on the perspective presented by the Natural selection theory for the origin of the Human body; that there would have been families of Humans multiplying on this Earth for over 150 thousand years,

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quote:

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70 thousand years ago . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 10,000 inhabitants
50 thousand years ago . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 million inhabitants
40 thousand years ago . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ?
35 thousand years ago . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ?
25 thousand years ago . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ?

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Distinction between Two Criterias

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Criteria I – (based on a belief) – Something that could rarely occur, eg annihilation on a global scale, that occurs often enough over 55 thousand years.

Criteria II – Something that occurs often and constantly indeed: Human population has never stopped growing.

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Taq writes:

.. Human populations can go from 1 million to 10,000 in a single year ..

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This is the criteria that the representants of the Natural selection theory for the origin of the Human body have often presented:

as you stated, let’s all consider (or believe) that something which very rarely happens would often occur during over 55 thousand years, that would be the believed reason why, when Earth's population was at 10,000 inhabitants, it would have taken over 55 thousand years to reach 1 million.

Just as the father of the beliefs/lies said, Everything is possible if one work up a strong belief! Something occuring that would drastically bring down the population and would be something that occured with regularity.

The only Diagnostic left: The Natural selection theory for the origin of the Human body became obsolete because it’s grasping at straws and causing people to work up a strong belief:

• something that could rarely occur, eg annihilation on a global scale, that occurs often enough over 55 thousand years, that could be the only thing that would wipe out enough of the human population to bring it down to 10,000 from a million, let's say, but for that event to occur with regularity is totally ridiculous, but it's so much easier to swallow that camel.

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Final Conclusion: That there were no families of Humans multiplying on the Earth 70 thousand years ago is evident, because of the fact that all things the Humans have done to the place called Earth during a single cluster of 7 thousand years, or when Earth’s population was 1 million persons, they would have done the same thing anyway during any of the three sequences of 14 thousand years that immediately precede the recent 7 thousand years.

Disconnection of time and place can be seen from the incompatibility between the consequences of having Humans on the Earth for a time no longer than 14 thousand years and the time proposed for their multiplication by the natural selection theory for the origin of the Human body.


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Message 126 of 194 (633311)
09-13-2011 2:20 PM
Reply to: Message 125 by Coyote
08-11-2011 9:05 PM


Re: Human population on a global scale never stopped growing
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Coyote writes:

Can you show me where any of this is incorrect?

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When stating that Human populations can go from 1 million to 10,000 in a single year, the criteria that the representants of the Natural selection theory for the origin of the Human body have often presented is a belief, saying: let’s all consider (or believe) that something which very rarely happens would often occur during over 55 thousand years, that would be the believed reason why, when Earth's population was at 10,000 inhabitants, it would have taken over 55 thousand years to reach 1 million.

quote:
Just as the father of the beliefs/lies said, Everything is possible if one work up a strong belief! Something occuring that would drastically bring down the population and would be something that occured with regularity. The Natural selection theory for the origin of the Human body becomes obsolete because it’s grasping at straws and causing people to work up a strong belief:

• something that could rarely occur, eg annihilation on a global scale, that occurs often enough over 55 thousand years;

That could be the only thing that would wipe out enough of the human population to bring it down to 10,000 from a million, let's say, but for that event to occur with regularity is totally ridiculous, but it's so much easier to swallow that camel.


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Message 128 of 194 (633331)
09-13-2011 4:06 PM
Reply to: Message 127 by Taq
09-13-2011 2:33 PM


Re: Human population on a global scale never stopped growing
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quote:
Writes:

You have yet to show any evidence that the human population had to be 10,000 at any point in history.


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I don't have to, precisely because I never said that it had to be 10,000 at any point in history

• What I just did was bring up scenarios using those numbers and I would think most can figure it out.

Therefore,

Whenever a person does not show you which road is the right one,

It does not mean that all persons must believe that the right one is yours.

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Message 132 of 194 (651855)
02-10-2012 3:47 PM
Reply to: Message 30 by Coyote
01-28-2011 10:53 AM


Re: Distinction between human prototypes and ancestor
Coyote writes:

How do you explain the several hundred different Native American languages in California?

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The more different their languages are, the more demonstration it is that in the beginning they did not spread to America all by themselves. The understanding is given that their forefathers were brought and settled, by intelligent designer, in their respective lands.

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Message 135 of 194 (652289)
02-13-2012 9:41 AM
Reply to: Message 121 by Taq
08-10-2011 4:50 PM


The miscegenation system implied in the natural selection theory
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Taq writes:

There is every reason to suspect that once humans spread to a new geographic area that their numbers stabilized quite quickly ..

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Taq, that is not the point.

Time for you to see beyond the spoon. All these shallow subjects, .. how language evolved, .. your lack of evidence about human population being 10,000 at any point in history .. , these subjects are obsolete and won't help you to solve the real matter highlighted in the O.P. since the point is about possibility based on real facts:

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Observation shows that when humans spread to a territory all by themselves, this fact does not originate groups of different languages and ethnies. To the contrary, it brings miscegenation and then causes some languages and ethnies to disappear.

On this, one ascertains that families of Humans did not spread to Europe during the time proposed for their multiplication by the natural selection theory which becomes obsolete. The possibility left is that sets of groups were previously selected and settled, by intelligent designer, in their respective lands otherwise Europe would be one miscegenated people even before they could become groups of different languages and ethnies.

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Albanians . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Crimean Tatars . . . . . Germanic people . . . . Portuguese
Armenians . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Croats . . . . . . . . . . . . Greeks . . . . . . . . . . . Romanians
Aromanians . . . . . . . . . . . . . Czech . . . . . . . . . . . . Hungarians . . . . . . . . Russian
Basques . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Dutch . . . . . . . . . . . . Igbo people . . . . . . . . Scottish
Belarusians . . . . . . . . . . . . . Estonian . . . . . . . . . . Irish people . . . . . . . . Slovenes
Ethnic groups in Belgium . . . . Finnish . . . . . . . . . . . Italians . . . . . . . . . . . Spanish people
Bosniaks . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . French . . . . . . . . . . . Latvians . . . . . . . . . . Swedes
Brittish people . . . . . . . . . . . . Gaelic . . . . . . . . . . . . Lithuaneans . . . . . . . Swiss
Bulgarians . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .Georgians . . . . . . . . . Macedonian . . . . . . . Turks
Celts . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . German people . . . . . Netherlands . . . . . . . Ukrainians
Cossacks . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Polish

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All of non-Russian Europe fits into the map of Brazil.

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Europe isn't so large that it could originate so much different languages and ethnies through a system of miscegenation which is the precise mixing implied in the natural selection theory for the origin of the Human body.

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Indeed a total miscegenation would be unavoidable since such theory implies that the mixing would have taken more than 55 thousand years in Europe. Turning back to real european life, people take a walk and in awhile they are spread all over the hills and far away.

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There are other things to see along the open road which is neither evolution nor creation. The human body was formed but not created by a deity. Human beings might have been made by a person, (s)he might be called by the name, 'I Am the beginning and the end, the first and the last', a person with so much knowledge of different sequences of times and realms. A person with power and technology to make all things new, making the beginning of all things and restarting the immortality.

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quote:
Many many men can't see the open road
Many times I've lied, and many times I've listened
*Many is a word and name of who only leaves you guessin'
Guessin’ bout a thing one really ought not to lie,
You really ought to know

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* Legion's name: To Be Many

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. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 70 thousand years ago . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 10,000 inhabitants
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 50 thousand years ago . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 million inhabitants
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 40 thousand years ago . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ?
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 35 thousand years ago . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ?
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 25 thousand years ago . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ?

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That there were no families of Humans multiplying on the Earth 70 thousand years ago is evident, because of the fact that all things the Humans have done to the place called Earth during a single cluster of 7 thousand years, they would have done the same thing anyway during any of the three sequences of 14 thousand years that immediately precede the recent 7 thousand years. Disconnection of time and place can be seen from the incompatibility between the consequences of having Humans on the Earth for a time no longer than 14 thousand years and the time proposed for their multiplication by natural selection theory for the origin of the Human body.


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Message 137 of 194 (652571)
02-14-2012 4:27 PM
Reply to: Message 136 by Panda
02-13-2012 10:35 AM


Re: The miscegenation system implied in the natural selection theory
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Panda writes:

where does the Diamond and the 7 parts come from

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Often when one does not know the name or authenticity of certain stones like jasper or sapphire, the nickname given to that stone is crazy diamond.

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In regards to the Human body, the number identifies who has made it. There is a number, 7, or a pair of seven in the palms of everyone's hands.

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book of Job, '(S)He seals the hands of every person, that all men may know it's his(her) work.' And in another fragment: 'Behold, I have graven thee on the palms of my hands: the map of thy terms [walls - mediations] is constantly before me.'

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When a person has a pair of seven, the letters of the tetragram – the letter hê and the twins, jewd and vav, might be seen; two letters on each hand, and when the palms of both hands are gathered and kept pressed to one another with all one's strength then there is a trembling like a rapid-fire sequence.

In the time that the laying up of hands with trembling is directed toward the clouds then the clouds become gathered and separate themselves from their initial trajectory revolving to another Initial stability more close and immediate. And the clouds remain for a time suspended in a place that the person chooses.

With the sign of the lamb, the laying up of both gathered hands, the powers that are in heaven might be moved and the white clouds become like a tender row of fig branch having seven long leaves coming forth.

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Message 141 of 194 (654175)
02-27-2012 2:45 PM
Reply to: Message 12 by Taz
01-25-2011 9:34 PM


Population growth over the hills and far away
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Taz writes:


It was only recently, around 10,000 years or so, that early civilizations began to farm on a scale capable of supporting more than a few dozen people in any area.

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Knowing from real life that families formed of a few dozen people were able of supporting themselves, that's evidence that their children and the children of their children would be capable of doing the same thing for themselves.

It's evident that familes formed of only a few dozen people never needed the capability of supporting more than just themselves. For the generations to come were capable of giving the same support for their children. Observation shows that they took care of themselves and their own.

Therefore the belief based argument that the generations to come would not be capable of giving to their children the same support that their parents gave to them is inconsistent and if applied to a classroom setting will not be bought by the pupils that are not spoonfed by many books containing the belief that the size of their brain is a product of natural selection.

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Message 144 of 194 (654272)
02-28-2012 4:21 PM
Reply to: Message 142 by caffeine
02-28-2012 11:10 AM


Re: Population growth over the hills and far away
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caffeine writes:

There's a limit to how many people an environment will support

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The referred limits appeared only after the Modern age.

In all ancient ages and in Medieval ages there was always the circle in which one thing leaded to another:

Population growth was the factor leading the new families of farmers to open up fertile lands in Europe.

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Therefore the argument that a lack of population growth would have occurred in Early Europe because of an alleged environmental limit is inconsistent.

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Message 148 of 194 (654360)
02-29-2012 4:24 PM
Reply to: Message 129 by Taq
09-13-2011 4:58 PM


Population growth over the hills and far away
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Sample of questions brought to the front,

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Taq writes:

Would you also agree that the human population did not have to be continuously growing at all times ?

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Let's take 70 families with children under 21 living in Europe when European population was 1,000 persons. And let's consider that from 70 families living in Europe, 47 families would always cease from existing because of wars, famines, diseases and other eventualities, and they would surely not continue to multiply nor keep a continous genealogical series.

In regards to the remaining families – Could one state with certainty or scientifically demonstrate that the remaining 23 (twenty-three) families total would not continue to multiply keeping a continous genealogical series from that point up until these days?

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The allegation that annihilation on a global scale would have often occurred and with regularity for over 55 thousand years that immediately precede the recent 15 thousand years has been proved inconsistent for lack of evidences.

In regards to the allegation that the lack of technology would have impeded the families formed of a few dozen to farm for the generations to come, the arguments have omitted that when families are formed of dozen persons this had to include their children.

quote:
Observation shows that they took care of themselves and their own. And they never needed the capability of supporting more than just their family.

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The generations to come were capable of giving the same support for their children because the less technology a farmer had, the more manpower a farmer required to do the job.

And the more children a farmer had, the more labor force was available for them to increase the production of the farm.

On this, given the lack of technology in those days and the need of labor force, the population growth was a solution and not a problem.

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. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 70 thousand years ago . . . . . . . . . . 10,000 inhabitants
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 50 thousand years ago . . . . . . . . . . 1 million inhabitants
1st cluster of 14,000 years – from 49 to 36 thousand years ago . . . . . . . . . . . . ?
2nd cluster of 14,000 years – from 35 to 22 thousand years ago . . . . . . . . . . . . ?
3rd cluster of 14,000 years – from 21 to 7 thousand years ago . . . . . . . . . . . . . ?

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Indeed, explanations have been asked but in response no answers based on real life were brought to the front that could possibly explain an alleged total lack of population growth from 70 thousand years ago to 50 thousand years ago; and from 49,000 years ago until the completeness of three rows of 14,000 years prior to the recent 7 thousand years.

Neither some many men can see the open road that is called science (ascertained truth of the facts) so that they could see, verify and ascertain the truth in the fact that all things the Humans have done to the planet during a single cluster of 7,000 years,

they would have done the same thing anyway during any of the three clusters of 14 thousand years that immediately precede the recent 7 thousand years.

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On this, darwinism has a debt with the truth and unfinished business that needs to be answered in response for a lack of consistency in the natural selection theory (for the origin of the Human body) because in real life there is a disconnection of time and place between the consequences of having Humans on the Earth for a time no longer than 14 thousand years and the time that the darwinism has proposed for their multiplication.

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Message 149 of 194 (654447)
03-01-2012 4:46 PM
Reply to: Message 147 by Coyote
02-29-2012 10:03 AM


Re: Population growth over the hills and far away
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Coyote writes:

.. by storage of food. As an example, you mentioned the Pacific Northwest; the fish from periodic runs were dried or smoked and stored for other parts of the year.

Folks in lowlying areas would have access to different resources than folks in higher elevations and trade would help to even out the annual fluctuations and the periodic shortfalls.

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Now you're bringing up facts of real life. And this can be ascertained from History of the World and Encyclopedia Britannica;

There is nothing indicating that living in a planet Earth the minimum average of 33.3 % – a third part of Human population would not continue to grow and multiply a continuous genealogical series.

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quote:

Let's take 70 families with children under 21 living in Europe when European population was 1,000 persons. And let's consider that from 70 families living in Europe, 47 families would always cease from existing because of wars, famines, diseases and other eventualities, and they would surely not continue to multiply nor keep a continous genealogical series.

In regards to the remaining families – Could one state with certainty or scientifically demonstrate that the remaining 23 (twenty-three) families total would not continue to multiply keeping a continous genealogical series from that point up until these days?

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. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 70 thousand years ago . . . . . . . . . . 10,000 inhabitants
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 50 thousand years ago . . . . . . . . . . 1 million inhabitants
1st cluster of 14,000 years – from 49 to 36 thousand years ago . . . . . . . . . . . . ?
2nd cluster of 14,000 years – from 35 to 22 thousand years ago . . . . . . . . . . . . ?
3rd cluster of 14,000 years – from 21 to 7 thousand years ago . . . . . . . . . . . . . ?

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Message 151 of 194 (654572)
03-02-2012 6:55 AM
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Re: Population growth over the hills and far away
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caffeine writes:

Let's put 200 people on that island

I don't need to believe. I already know. What about turning back time to 49,000 years ago and put them on an island called England

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Message 153 of 194 (654578)
03-02-2012 7:37 AM
Reply to: Message 19 by Taz
01-26-2011 8:10 AM


The Thin Red Line – Population growth Model
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Taz writes:

Many of us have been in this debate long enough to see the hidden implication of the OP.

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Taz, time for you to see the hidden timeframe implicated in the Opening Post.

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Thin Red Line – population growth Model – Only the Fifth part survives

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. . . . . . . . . . 70 thousand years ago . . . . . . . 2,000 persons
. . . . . . . . . . 65 thousand years ago . . . . . . . ?
. . . . . . . . . . 60 thousand years ago . . . . . . . ?
. . . . . . . . . . 55 thousand years ago . . . . . . . ?
. . . . . . . . . . 50 thousand years ago . . . . . . . 2,000 persons

1st cluster of 14,000 years – from 49 to 36 thousand years ago: population x 15 - 80 %

2nd cluster of 14,000 years – from 35 to 22 thousand years ago: population x 10 - 80 %

3rd cluster of 14,000 years – from 21 to 7 thousand years ago: population x 10 - 80 %

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Message 155 of 194 (654847)
03-05-2012 7:00 AM
Reply to: Message 21 by dwise1
01-26-2011 11:40 AM


Beyond the thin red line – Population growth Model
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For some reason, not shown by the natural selection theory (for the origin of the Human body), 70 thousand years ago in Europe the Human population would have reached 2,000 persons. A number that would not increase until 49 thousand years ago.

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. . . . . . . . . . 70 thousand years ago . . . . . . . 2,000 persons
. . . . . . . . . . 65 thousand years ago . . . . . . . ?
. . . . . . . . . . 60 thousand years ago . . . . . . . ?
. . . . . . . . . . 55 thousand years ago . . . . . . . ?
. . . . . . . . . . 50 thousand years ago . . . . . . . 2,000 persons

1st cluster of 14,000 years – from 49 to 36 thousand years ago: population x 15 - 80 %

2nd cluster of 14,000 years – from 35 to 22 thousand years ago: population x 10 - 80 %

3rd cluster of 14,000 years – from 21 to 7 thousand years ago: population x 10 - 80 %

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Population growth Model: Thin Red Line [ 1 to 15 - 80 % every thousand years ]

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1st cluster of 14 thousand years

From 49 thousand years ago - European population: 2,000 persons

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| 1 thousand years | . . . . 2,000 x 15 = 30,000 - 80 % = 6,000 persons
| 2 thousand years | . . . . 6,000 x 15 = 90,000 - 80 % = 18,000 persons
| 3 thousand years | . . . .18,000 x 15 = 270,000 - 80 % = 54,000 persons
| 4 thousand years | . . . .54,000 x 15 = 810,000 - 80 % = 162,000 persons
| 5 thousand years | . . . 162,000 x 15 = 2,430,000 - 80 % = 486,000 persons
| 6 thousand years | . . . 486,000 x 15 = 7,290,000 - 80 % = 1,458,000 persons
| 7 thousand years | . . 1,458,000 x 15 = 21,870,000 - 80 % = 4,374,000 persons
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| 8 thousand years | . . 4,374,000 x 15 = 65,610,000 - 80 % = 13,122,000 persons
| 9 thousand years | . .13,122,000 x 15 = 196,830,000 - 80 % = 39,366,000 persons
|10 thousand years | . .39,366,000 x 15 = 590,490,000 - 80 % = 118,098,000 persons
|11 thousand years | . 118,098,000 x 15 = 1,771,470,000 - 80 % = 354,294,000 persons
|12 thousand years | . 354,294,000 x 15 = 5,314,410,000 - 80 % = 1,062,882,000 persons
|13 thousand years | 1,062,882,000 x 15 = 15,943,230,000 - 80 % = 3,188,646,000 persons
|14 thousand years | 3,188,646,000 x 15 = 47,829,690,000 - 80 % = 9,565,938,000 persons
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[ Source: non-published translations of SPOTLIGHT
Subtitle: Population growth over the hills and far away ]

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Only the Fifth part survives: 4 from every 5 inhabitants do not multiply. This population growth model consists that in every thousand years 80 % of Humans were terminated or died because of wars, famines, diseases and other events and they've left no descendants. It's a model that reproduces a state of miserability in the entire Europe and a badly condition to population increase. As in the thin red line of a war front, the multiplication of the remaining 20 % is according to the Minimum of 1 to 1,5 every hundred years which equates to 1 to 15 every thousand years.

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When verifying the mathematical truth one might see that, If indeed some families of Humans have been growing and multiplying on the Earth from 55 thousand years ago, even living in the edge where only the fifth part would survive; and multiplying according to the timeline of a war trench, the mathematical evidence is constantly heading to the open road that some many men can't see: There is a disconnection of time and place between the consequences of having Humans on the Earth for a time no longer than 14 thousand years and the time proposed for their multiplication by the natural selection theory (for the origin of the Human body).

These Math results do clear up that the Humans would have done to the place called Earth, during any of the three clusters of 14,000 years, all things that they have done to this planet in the recent 7,000 years.

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There are no evidences that termination on a global scale had ever happened in Europe from 70 thousand to 10 thousand years ago. However one might give the natural selection theory (for the origin of the Human body) the benefit of the doubt, that some annihilation on a global scale would have occurred bringing down the European population, e.g. from 2 billions to 200 thousand inhabitants in the beginning of the second row of 14 thousand years:

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2nd cluster of 14 thousand years – Beyond the Thin Red Line [ 1 to 10 - 80 % ]

From 35 thousand years ago - European population: 200,000 persons

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| 1 thousand years | . . . 200,000 x 10 = 2,000,000 - 80 % = 400,000 persons
| 2 thousand years | . . . 400,000 x 10 = 4,000,000 - 80 % = 800,000 persons
| 3 thousand years | . . . 800,000 x 10 = 8,000,000 - 80 % = 1,600,000 persons
| 4 thousand years | . . 1,600,000 x 10 = 16,000,000 - 80 % = 3,200,000 persons
| 5 thousand years | . . 3,200,000 x 10 = 32,000,000 - 80 % = 6,400,000 persons
| 6 thousand years | . . 6,400,000 x 10 = 64,000,000 - 80 % = 12,800,000 persons
| 7 thousand years | . .12,800,000 x 10 = 128,000,000 - 80 % = 25,600,000 persons
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| 8 thousand years | . .25,600,000 x 10 = 256,000,000 - 80 % = 51,200,000 persons
| 9 thousand years | . .51,200,000 x 10 = 512,000,000 - 80 % = 102,400,000 persons
|10 thousand years | . 102,400,000 x 10 = 1,024,000,000 - 80 % = 204,800,000 persons
|11 thousand years | . 204,800,000 x 10 = 2,048,000,000 - 80 % = 409,600,000 persons
|12 thousand years | . 409,600,000 x 10 = 4,096,000,000 - 80 % = 819,200,000 persons
|13 thousand years | . 819,200,000 x 10 = 8,192,000,000 - 80 % = 1,638,400,000 persons
|14 thousand years | 1,638,400,000 x 10 = 16,384,000,000 - 80 % = 3,276,800,000 persons
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[ Source: non-published translations of SPOTLIGHT
Subtitle: Population growth over the hills and far away ]

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This Model, population x 10 - 80 % every thousand years, is the lowest rate of population increase and it surpasses beyond the thin red line in terms of miserability and badly conditions to multiply. Indeed, if applied to any of the three clusters of 14,000 years, 1 to 10 - 80 % has got what it takes for a wind of change to become a twister that might shakedown the concepts of many highschools wherever they've been told what to do by the man.

In the likeness of '1 to 15', '1 to 10 - 80 %' is a model that won't do good to many doctorates on Human Origins because it is mathematical evidence that the natural selection theory (for the origin of the Human body) becomes obsolete.

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dwise1 writes:

.. assuming a pure-birth population growth model ..

We recognize CrazyDiamond's model as pure-birth

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One can't recognize anything by 'believing' since it is not knowing nor applying solid science = ascertained truth of the facts.

To see a pure-birth model where it isn't is clearing up that whenever a doctrine says 'believing, we see!' that's where their blindness increases.

The solid message from Population growth over the hills and far away is that no matter how accurate a population growth model is, many men still can't see the open road, because Many is a word of whom only leaves one guessin' by providing you a number that equates to MANY:

The natural selection theory (for the origin of the Human body) provides you no significant numbers, that equates to telling you this: 'you would find MANY, many people living out there 49 thousand years ago in Europe', rather than give you accurate numbers for your population growth model. And that 'Many' leaves one guessin'

Guessin' bout a thing you really ought not to lie. You really ought to know.

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[ There's an ancient Hebrew fragment that translates: If men don't speak then the rocks will do it. So let the lyrics speak sometimes. ]

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Edited by CrazyDiamond7, : update

Edited by CrazyDiamond7, : update


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Message 158 of 194 (654894)
03-05-2012 11:48 AM
Reply to: Message 156 by frako
03-05-2012 7:44 AM


Re: Beyond the thin red line – Population growth Model
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Frako, Why not go straight to the point and bring up your population growth model, e.g.: from 50 thousand years ago until 21,000 years ago, in order for people to verify how accurate it is.

Only the specificity of Math results can be called evidence to this matter. Evidences based on comparing lions with humans and other stories are not evidences but tales to help bulls fall asleep.

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