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Author Topic:   Which animals would populate the earth if the ark was real?
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Message 75 of 991 (655026)
03-06-2012 3:08 PM
Reply to: Message 71 by foreveryoung
03-06-2012 2:52 PM


Re: The key is "if the ark was real." It isn't.
What is a myth? Biblical stories? So the bible is a myth? Just declare yourself an atheist. Why do you call yourself a christian if the bible is a myth?
Well then why don't you call yourself an atheist as you seem to think the bible is myth also? Why do you call yourself a christian if the bible is myth? The timing of the biblical flood can be roughly ascertained by reading the bible(have you read it, I have many times). You can put it roughly 4000 to 6000 years ago. Or maybe you can explain how you get to the 200,000 year ago figure?
You are treating the bible as myth if you have some 200,000 year ago figure. There is also plenty of evidence proving there was no worldwide flood in the last 200,000 years, or ever. But please if you have evidence by all means show it. Could be some big money in it for you if you have the evidence.

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Message 79 of 991 (655030)
03-06-2012 3:16 PM
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03-06-2012 3:11 PM


Re: The key is "if the ark was real." It isn't.
You are interpreting the bible in a completely wrong way.
And the magic key was given to you? By YHWH himself? No wonder you won't tell anyone about this wonderful revelation.
To think every other biblical scholar in the world is wrong but you are right.
Is this ICANT in disguise?

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Message 82 of 991 (655033)
03-06-2012 3:24 PM
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03-06-2012 3:17 PM


Re: The key is "if the ark was real." It isn't.
I am not ignoring real scientifically determined facts.
Well please present these "scientifically determined facts".
Other than radiometric dating, I see no evidence that demands an earth that is older than 1 million years.
More "scientifically determined facts"?
What you think has no effect on reality and evidently reality has no effect on what you believe.
I have reason to believe other mechanisms that were much faster were in play.
Again more "scientifically determined facts"?
Time to start presenting the science or else people are just going to think you are a crank.

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Message 86 of 991 (655038)
03-06-2012 3:29 PM
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03-06-2012 3:21 PM


Re: The key is "if the ark was real." It isn't.
You do know that when genealogies became long and unwieldy, they would be shortened but still maintained crucial information such as who the ultimate ancestor of a tribe was?
So you agree that the bible is myth. So why do you call yourself a christian if the bible is myth?
I did not know this can you please provide your evidence? And because it may have happened in some tribes what is your evidence that the bible also reflects this?
Did God tell you that the genealogies were the way to determine how old the earth was?
First of all there is no god. Second, why are you correct and all other biblical scholars wrong? You have presented nothing but word salad. No argument at all as to how you know the correct answer and everyone else is wrong. Maybe you are just a crank.

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Message 87 of 991 (655039)
03-06-2012 3:33 PM
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03-06-2012 3:27 PM


Re: The key is "if the ark was real." It isn't.
Ok enough already. This is a science forum please start providing some sort of evidence instead of just assertions and crap thrown against the wall. If you want to preach could you please move it over to one of the flood topics on the faith side of the forum.
I was really hoping you would have some sort of argument with some sort of pseudo-evidence. Instead we get this.

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Message 98 of 991 (655051)
03-06-2012 3:59 PM
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03-06-2012 3:40 PM


Re: The key is "if the ark was real." It isn't.
Since you guys are the ones charging me with ignoring science, the onus is on you to present facts (not theories) that my views are in contradiction with.
You have nothing do you. You also have no idea how science works. You have a claim that is counter to every other person in existence. Therefore it is incumbent on you to present the argument and the evidence.
Shall I quote you?
Message 69
I did not suggest hyper-evolution. I suggest they all evolved within a span of about 200,000 years.
That is a scientific claim. Oh and yes it would still be hyper-evolution.
Message 80
I am not ignoring real scientifically determined facts.
Another scientific claim. Which you evidently have no evidence for. So yes you are the one that needs to provide some sort of evidence to back up your assertions.
I didn't say they were scientifically determined facts. Learn to read, you old fart.
Learn to read and please keep the personal attacks out of it. You know nothing about me so if you cant keep it civil hit the road.
I didn't say you said they were scientifically presented facts. Lets see what I said.
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Again more "scientifically determined facts"?
You see that thing on the end? It is called a question mark. You made a claim early in the post that you ahd some sort of "scientifically determined facts". SO I was wondering if these other assertions also had "scientifically determined facts". Learn to comprehend.
Oh yeah about those "scientifically determined facts". You ever going to share this mystical knowledge with us? Oh I guess if it is mystical it can't be scientific can it.

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Message 104 of 991 (655066)
03-06-2012 6:23 PM


Lots of assertions
Foreveryoung
You have made a lot of claims and assertions. This could be a very interesting conversation but as of yet you have not given any support for your assertions. Please provide reasoning for your assertions and beliefs.
Many of us would be very interested to find out how you ahve come to the conclusions you have. Yes we are not going to agree with your conclusions and will probably be able to provide ample evidence to counter your beliefs.
You say you want us to provide evidence that you are wrong, but we have no idea what you are basing your conclusions on so we have no idea where to start countering.
If you are not interested in debating but preaching your beliefs this is not the place for you. But if you are interested in debating you will find many that are more than willing.
This was not meant to be snarky at all so I hope Admin does not interpret it as snark.

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Message 116 of 991 (655130)
03-07-2012 5:25 PM
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03-07-2012 12:11 PM


Not everything that you consider to be scientifically true are in reality true. Evidence is replicable and available, but is not interpreted the same way universally. I consider the whole world and all the evidence gathered so far by scientists to be evidence for my position.
I agree and that is why I feel all scientific evidence proves the existence of the Invisible Pink Unicorn. If you disagree you need to prove me wrong.
Now my comments seem totally ridiculous to you don't they. Wouldn't you be curious how I interpreted evidence to be proof for the IPU?
That is how I feel about you. You are making these grandiose statements with nothing to back them. Your contributions here seem to just be some narcissistic backslapping with no substance.
Explain why you think the scientific evidence is evidence for your position. Hell, we don't even know what your position is.
Admin,
This is not meant to be snark. I am just trying to get him to understand why there is so much frustration with his comments that science supports him but he refuses to explain the reasoning.
ABE
Not everything that you consider to be scientifically true are in reality true.
I think this comment speaks volumes. You obviously have no feel for science and the scientific method. Science does not deal in truths. Science deals with evidence and facts. Truths are for religion and beliefs.
Edited by Theodoric, : No reason given.

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Message 183 of 991 (705541)
08-28-2013 2:25 PM
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08-28-2013 2:09 PM


Re: Hmmmm
Wasn't that the Three Stooges guy, Shemp. They caught him screwing one of the monkeys.

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"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Message 215 of 991 (705705)
08-30-2013 9:43 PM
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08-30-2013 6:31 PM


Re: But the Biblical Flood myths have been totally refuted.
Well he didn't mean "all".

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Message 243 of 991 (705761)
09-01-2013 9:40 PM
Reply to: Message 239 by mindspawn
09-01-2013 8:04 PM


Re: The flood story (getting pretty off the topic core)
Wow!!
CNN - Breaking News, Latest News and Videos
ireport.cnn.com are not actual articles. Anyone can post any shit they want.
quote:
Submissions are not edited, fact-checked, or screened.
iReport - Wikipedia
Ooparts: Out of place Artefacts
Nothing here at all.
http://voiceofrussia.com/...d-in-Russian-city-of-Vladivostok
You really should try to be a little more skeptical.

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Message 288 of 991 (705857)
09-03-2013 9:14 AM
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09-03-2013 9:11 AM


Re: But the Biblical Flood myths have been totally refuted.
but I believe he used natural processes to create the flood.
Where did all the water come from and where did it go?
Edited by Theodoric, : No reason given.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Theodoric
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Message 296 of 991 (705867)
09-03-2013 10:21 AM
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09-03-2013 10:06 AM


Re: But the Biblical Flood myths have been totally refuted.
But that does not agree with what the bible says and is also freaking ludicrous.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Message 387 of 991 (706031)
09-05-2013 10:08 AM
Reply to: Message 384 by mindspawn
09-05-2013 9:59 AM


Re: Another brief off topic note
How about posting about the topic?
If you want to discuss proof for the flood how about starting a topic on it or posting one one of the many topics discussing it.
In case you are having some sort of reading and cognition issues here is the topic of the thread.
Which animals would populate the earth if the ark was real?

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Message 487 of 991 (706309)
09-09-2013 12:52 PM
Reply to: Message 486 by ringo
09-09-2013 11:56 AM


Re: The flood story (getting pretty off the topic core)
ringo writes:
mindspawn writes:
(except for the penguin which can spend several months at sea).
How long can it spend getting to the sea? Can it live on dead fish on the way? Did it go by way of the Black Sea and the Med or did it take a shortcut to the Persian Gulf?
And why did they need the Ark? What about whales? Have creos presented an answer for that yet?

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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