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Author Topic:   A Plea to understanding: SCIENCE vs INTELLIGENT DESIGN
jchardy
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Message 210 of 230 (655513)
03-11-2012 12:54 AM
Reply to: Message 207 by subbie
03-10-2012 10:23 PM


Re: purpose in science
Rather than going through calculations, none of which would be mine alone, I would ask that you read the summary of Chapter 1 of Mallary's "Our improbable universe" at: Our Improbable Universe - Book Summary - Chapter 1: Fourteen Stepping Stones .
JCH

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jchardy
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Message 211 of 230 (655515)
03-11-2012 1:15 AM
Reply to: Message 204 by Percy
03-10-2012 8:50 PM


Re: purpose in science
Percy: I thought you were an administrator of this site. Didn’t you remove my posting privilages when I had problems figuring out the methodology? Was that or was that not you??

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jchardy
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Message 216 of 230 (655580)
03-11-2012 4:02 PM


A RELUCTANT FAREWELL
All participants in this thread discussing ID and Science: A farewell and some final points.
1. It is good that this forum provided a means of discussion/communications to/with a community (purportedly scientific), which believes that all IDer philosophy is consistently primitive and without reasoned foundation.
In my opening of this thread, and over the past week or so, I hope I have opened some minds to realize that there are those of us who believe the probability argument favors some divine direction to the evolution, both of our universe (from the beginning) and to and through evolution toward human existence.
I hope many see that many of us seek out science --- not to validate our beliefs, but rather to expand our knowledge base, utilizing science without the fear that the foundations of our belief might be destroyed. If challenges to our beliefs occur, we are willing to accept those disruptions without losing respect for and toward those who present those challenges.
As I have said previously, that challenge is bimodal: It exists for we the faithful as well as for those who are immutably skeptics.
2. It is also good that this discussion evolved to controversy and debate. Debate, however is an argument format and some view it as a challenge: I.e., there must be a winner.
3. There are those who demand winning, and when they sense they may be losing the argument, will pull out all the stops, ignoring ethical concerns, and use personal attack, false allegations and demeaning rhetoric to undermine credible argument.
THIS IS AN INEXCUSABLE POLITICAL TECHNIQUE used in this case by he who identifies himself as: *the* administrator, and I'm also the founder, owner, webmaster, IT guy, chief financial officer, programmer and janitor. --- which means he can pretty much do and say whatever he wants, including scanning for personal information on participants in his forums and choose that which he finds most to his benefit.
As I have said: Mixing politics and political argument and science is toxic to both (but particularly to science).
The fact that this was a breach in ethics is irrelevant to him. By means of personal attack, he drives away opinions (and participants) which (who) credibly do not jive with his concepts. This is an old political tool, and this is what occurred here. He misrepresented my credentials for purposes of lowering my veracity, undermining the validity of my arguments which he apparently saw were being threatened.
SO, WITH RELUCTANCE, I AM TERMINATING MY PARTICIPATION IN THIS FORUM BUT DO GREATLY APPRECIATE THE EXCHANGES I HAVE BENEFITTED FROM DURING THE PAST TWO WEEKS.
I APPOLOGIZE TO THOSE WHO I WAS UNABLE TO SPECIFICALLY REPLY, BUT I WAS GETTING UP TO 20 RESPONSES PER DAY AND COULD NOT PROCESS THEM ALL.
It would be much better if the rules of this forum specifically excluded inaccurate information and slander from inclusion, but then, when you have the power of God in any process, you can do whatever you wish. In this case, God would be well advised to sell this forum and site to someone (or a group of someone’s) who will provide a more objective direction, an assured open minded forum guarded by some form of supervisory hierarchy.
JCH

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jchardy
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Message 217 of 230 (655582)
03-11-2012 4:06 PM
Reply to: Message 213 by Percy
03-11-2012 9:29 AM


Re: purpose in science
Percy:
Your posting wasn't a problem because of the "Jackass" joke. No problem there. The problem was your gleaning personal, inaccurate information, diseminating it in a post. This was inappropriately offensive and completely inappropriate. If you are going to put out personal information about me, try to make it accurate. So I will clarify:
First of all, MSAC (Mount San Antonio College) is a Junior college. They don’t give out Bachelor’s degrees. I attended there in 1959-1961 because my parents were poor and I had to work full time while attending. I graduated from there with the usual A.A. degree and moved on to the University of California where I obtained my B.A. in Zoology in 1963.
I was still working to support myself and education as a Licensed Laboratory technician, (they didn’t offer student loan programs in those days).
I worked as a Naturalist with the National Park Service for a time (on Anacapa Island) and was then admitted to medical school in 1964 at U.S.C. Keck School of Medicine from which I graduated in 1968.
My Medical education was financed by the May J. Wright Scholarship until I became participant in the Ensign 1915 Program with the USN and then augmented with the U.S.N. doing my internship at U.S. Naval Hospital, Chelsea Mass. (now closed) and then my residency in Internal Medicine at U.S. Naval Hopsital, San Diego, obtaining my Board certification in 1972.
I then served as Chief of Medicine at U.S. Naval Hospital, Naples Italy for 4 years and then returned to serve as Senior watch; Resident Training officer and then Assistant Chief of Medicine at U.S. Naval Hospital, Oakland, CA. I retired from the USN as a Captain (MC) USN in 1987 and took position as Chief of Allergy and Immunology at Kaiser Permanente that year. I retired from medical practice in 2000 and began to pursue my interests in the origin of matter in the universe leading to Cosmology and finally Quantum Cosmology to conceptualize the processes of evolution in the universe.
The purpose of my participation in this blog was to expand an understanding of the breadth of interests those of us who believe the Universe MAY have had divine guidance throughout its evolution. You have effectively undermined that motivation and that is not to your (or your blog’s) credit.
The critical point here is that --- for some reason known only to you --- you’ve gotten personal and offensive. That suggests you are afraid and as a result have become angry. No one in your administrative position should be allowed to use his/their position vindictively and you’ve stepped over the line and obviously want to end this conversation,--- so end it I will.
John S. Hardy, Jr. M.D.

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