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Author Topic:   A Plea to understanding: SCIENCE vs INTELLIGENT DESIGN
Percy
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Message 218 of 230 (655587)
03-11-2012 4:28 PM
Reply to: Message 217 by jchardy
03-11-2012 4:06 PM


Re: purpose in science
Hi John,
If you have complaints about the accuracy of the information I provided then you have only yourself to blame because I got it from you. You posted your information on the Internet. You described your history at your college reunion site (http://www.claremont59.com/class_profile.cfm?member_id=32...). You've posted pictures on the Internet of you, your wife, your Navy picture, your house, your beach. I didn't make up a thing and I didn't get anything wrong.
I checked the Internet for information about you because I couldn't actually believe you were a doctor after you experienced so much difficulty using the site (this is a discussion board, by the way, not a blog). It was a degree of incompetence I've never witnessed before. So I checked the Internet to see if you were an imposter, but what I found seemed to indicate that you were who you claimed you were. So I tried to help you use the site as best I could.
But then when you attempted to inflate your credentials I of course knew it wasn't true because I'd already read the history you posted on the Internet.
You claimed you're a scientist. You're not. You're a retired physician.
You claimed you were a zoologist. You weren't. You have a degree in zoology and worked a year as a lab tech. Now you're claiming you were a naturalist for the park service, but somehow that didn't get mentioned in your history posted at your high school reunion site.
If you're leaving then at least be honest about the reason, John. I didn't get personal and offensive, unless you consider the truth about you not being a scientist and a zoologist offensive. If you want to leave in a huff after being called out for dishonesty then that's up to you.
Or you could step up, admit the truth, then get down to some serious discussion.
--Percy
Edited by Percy, : Typo.
Edited by Percy, : Add more.

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Percy
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Posts: 22480
From: New Hampshire
Joined: 12-23-2000
Member Rating: 4.8


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Message 219 of 230 (655594)
03-11-2012 4:58 PM
Reply to: Message 216 by jchardy
03-11-2012 4:02 PM


Re: A RELUCTANT FAREWELL
jchardy writes:
3. There are those who demand winning, and when they sense they may be losing the argument, will pull out all the stops, ignoring ethical concerns, and use personal attack, false allegations and demeaning rhetoric to undermine credible argument.
THIS IS AN INEXCUSABLE POLITICAL TECHNIQUE used in this case by he who identifies himself as: *the* administrator, and I'm also the founder, owner, webmaster, IT guy, chief financial officer, programmer and janitor. --- which means he can pretty much do and say whatever he wants, including scanning for personal information on participants in his forums and choose that which he finds most to his benefit.
As I have said: Mixing politics and political argument and science is toxic to both (but particularly to science).
The fact that this was a breach in ethics is irrelevant to him. By means of personal attack, he drives away opinions (and participants) which (who) credibly do not jive with his concepts. This is an old political tool, and this is what occurred here. He misrepresented my credentials for purposes of lowering my veracity, undermining the validity of my arguments which he apparently saw were being threatened.
The irony here is that you're doing the very thing you're decrying, personally attacking someone who did nothing but correct your dishonesty. I did not misrepresent your credentials. Everything I said was true. What you said about being a scientist and zoologist was false.
The additional irony is that credentials have nothing to do with veracity. Credentials don't make you right when you're wrong. Having strong arguments built around evidence is all you need, but both seem to be in short supply for you.
--Percy

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Percy
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From: New Hampshire
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Message 226 of 230 (655928)
03-14-2012 11:24 PM


Summation
John was deeply offended and outraged that false statements had been made about him by the lead moderator. Believing there was no possibility of fair treatment, he left. That's what he said.
He's wrong, of course, and he must know it. I don't know what he hoped to accomplish by such obvious posturing. He sure did place a lot of stock in his irrelevant credentials, both real and imagined. He'll interpret this as a dismissal of the products of study and research, but he'd be wrong again. What I of course mean is that if your evidence and arguments are insufficient, adding your credentials to the mix is irrelevant and isn't going to help your cause. "Because I say so" has never been an effective argument, even for parents.
This thread didn't really get far enough to summarize. John should just drop his faux excuse for leaving and return with a sincere resolve to actually explore his ideas in the arena of critical thought.
--Percy
Edited by Percy, : Fix typo.

  
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