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Author Topic:   Accretion Theory and an alternative
Jet Thomson
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Message 44 of 257 (656072)
03-16-2012 12:47 PM
Reply to: Message 25 by Dr Adequate
03-15-2012 10:07 AM


Re: Sponge and stick vs. physics and math
Of course is doesn't. It has nothing to do with how stars formed.

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Jet Thomson
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From: Tucson, Az USA
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Message 46 of 257 (656075)
03-16-2012 12:49 PM
Reply to: Message 26 by New Cat's Eye
03-15-2012 10:54 AM


Re: No pictures !!
Not even the explosion of an entire galaxy will destroy or convert one single particle.

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Jet Thomson
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From: Tucson, Az USA
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Message 47 of 257 (656077)
03-16-2012 12:52 PM
Reply to: Message 27 by rueh
03-15-2012 11:43 AM


Re: No pictures
I wrote, what do thnik you will see? In other words , what you will visually see.

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Jet Thomson
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Posts: 86
From: Tucson, Az USA
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Message 58 of 257 (656146)
03-16-2012 5:42 PM
Reply to: Message 28 by Percy
03-15-2012 10:22 PM


Re: Just what I needed
Point 1. My poor grammer, sentence structure could make me an outright menace to society. Not to mention how I failed to quote you properly. Sorry. You win.
Point 2. My question is to science is this. Do the fluctuations in the background radiation noise more resemble a series of explosive events than one large one?
Point 3. The reference is to an earlier quote. 'God created the heavens and the earth.'
Point 4. Hot Jupiters migrating inward, and evidence of that. How come ours never did? You do not have to answer that.
Point 5. We went to the asteroid belt 2 times expecting to find accreted rocks frozen in time. All we found were fragments. This to my understanding has caused a change in thought as to what the asteroid belt is all about.
Point 6. I appreciate your analysis of what I have put forth. I am not putting my ideas out there to convince any one of anything. I do, however want to put a good case forward. I apologise for the lack of references.

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Jet Thomson
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From: Tucson, Az USA
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Message 59 of 257 (656148)
03-16-2012 5:46 PM
Reply to: Message 30 by foreveryoung
03-16-2012 2:02 AM


Re: What Fun it is to Learn
That is exactly what I am talking about.
A shell game, where the hand is quicker than the eye. That's funny!

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Jet Thomson
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Message 60 of 257 (656149)
03-16-2012 5:51 PM
Reply to: Message 33 by Son Goku
03-16-2012 6:02 AM


Re: Sponge and stick vs. physics and math
I was refering to our own galatic center which we are watching closely and have so far seen nothing. Observations beyond our galaxy pure speculation.

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Jet Thomson
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Message 61 of 257 (656150)
03-16-2012 5:59 PM
Reply to: Message 36 by Dr Adequate
03-16-2012 12:16 PM


Re: No pictures
I do not think I said that I would not do any math.
What I think is more important is knowing and understanding the true nature of the universe first. That way math will not paint one into a corner. There are questions about what gravity, magnatism and light are. At this point, I am not sure how to elaborate on this. I will ask my andmin guy.

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Jet Thomson
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Message 62 of 257 (656151)
03-16-2012 6:01 PM
Reply to: Message 38 by Dr Adequate
03-16-2012 12:30 PM


Re: No pictures
A vortex and equatorial discharge are two different things.

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Jet Thomson
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From: Tucson, Az USA
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Message 65 of 257 (656162)
03-16-2012 7:10 PM
Reply to: Message 56 by Trixie
03-16-2012 4:08 PM


Re: No pictures
Even scientists admit that there were many more planets than there are now obiting the sun. There were two in between Mars and Jupiter and one must have crashed into Saturn. It has been suggested that one crashed into our own earth. Any planet with rings suggests a collision with another planet.

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Jet Thomson
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Message 66 of 257 (656166)
03-16-2012 7:26 PM


Hot Jupiters
It is nice to see that Hot Jupiters which once defyed the laws of physics are now explained by planetary migration. How many band-aids are science going to put on this accretion idea before they finally repalce it, to me, is the real question.
I have heard say it is an evolving theory. Good one!
Have you heard me make any changes to mine so far? Even after 10 years and many new discoveries, mine has chaged not.
I say, 'get this accretion theory figured out before you even begin to question mine.'
Perhaps soon we will detect a planet in the process of coming out of a star. I think in the next 2 years we will see this event. I am suggesting everyone should sit on their hands for a while on this new idea. However, if you wish to contiue to debate it and analyze it, I will be right here to respond.

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Jet Thomson
Member (Idle past 4381 days)
Posts: 86
From: Tucson, Az USA
Joined: 03-10-2012


Message 75 of 257 (656220)
03-17-2012 1:50 AM
Reply to: Message 74 by dwise1
03-17-2012 12:04 AM


Re: What Fun it is to Learn
I do not wish to abandon or ignore math, but to me, it is very important is to undersand the true nature of the universe first. I see serious problems with current understanding of gravity, magnetics and light, as well as problems with the current popular theories of the Big Bang and Accretion.

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Jet Thomson
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From: Tucson, Az USA
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Message 76 of 257 (656221)
03-17-2012 2:05 AM
Reply to: Message 73 by Dr Adequate
03-16-2012 8:43 PM


Re: No pictures
I suppose it is not so much a matter if I know, but rather if you know if I am making this up.
I have predictions, but they are only so far as our own galaxy goes. For me, what we see going on in some distant galaxies is pure guess work. Again, I predict that we shall see in our own galaxy stars coming out of the super massive black hole in the center and will never see a star being consumed by this black hole. We have telescopes trained on the center, and the nearest stars are being tracked. It is just a matter of time before we have an answer. In the meantime, I also predict that soon we will detect an extra solar planet in the process of being ejected by its host star.

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Jet Thomson
Member (Idle past 4381 days)
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From: Tucson, Az USA
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Message 77 of 257 (656222)
03-17-2012 2:16 AM
Reply to: Message 71 by Dr Adequate
03-16-2012 8:39 PM


Re: Hot Jupiters
Hot Jupiters were considered beyond explanation under current physics until the migrating planet theory allowed these planets to move in towards their host star. That is what I call a band-aid, just like dark matter which became the JB weld of the universe. It is not scientific, but is anyone aware of how foolish the idea of migrating planets sounds to the average person? In the end, I think that the migrating planet theory will cause just as much trouble as the recent notion that the Big Bang was accidental.

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Jet Thomson
Member (Idle past 4381 days)
Posts: 86
From: Tucson, Az USA
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Message 78 of 257 (656224)
03-17-2012 2:22 AM


So far, all this and we haven't moved an inch. I have so much more to reveal but you have not shown me you are ready to understand it.

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Jet Thomson
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From: Tucson, Az USA
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Message 81 of 257 (656227)
03-17-2012 2:28 AM
Reply to: Message 49 by Dr Adequate
03-16-2012 12:58 PM


Re: No pictures
I think you are mixing engineering with cosmology. Engineers usually shun cosmologist because of a lack of piratical engineering in cosmological concepts.

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