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Trixie
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Message 1 of 29 (656191)
03-16-2012 5:23 PM


I've just noticed this today and it was as expected. However, what is bothering me is the language used by the bill's main sponsor
Concord Monitor, 29th Dec 2011 writes:
He reportedly blamed the acceptance of evolution for the atrocities of Nazi Germany and the 1999 Columbine shooting, adding, "As a general court [the official term for the New Hampshire legislature] we should be concerned with criminal ideas like this and how we are teaching it."
So now evolution is a "criminal idea"? I think that's an outrageous statement to make and one he should be held to account for.
How on earth do we counter this sort of garbage?
Possibly Education forum, but whatever you think best.
Edited by Trixie, : No reason given.

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Message 2 of 29 (656192)
03-16-2012 8:50 PM
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03-16-2012 5:23 PM


Are you sure this is something you want to discuss? I mean, it's a free country, even idiots have free speech, it's part of America's charm. He's an idiot, he's had his say, why dignify it with any attention?

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Trixie
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Message 3 of 29 (656193)
03-16-2012 8:58 PM
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It struck me as ominous, given the recent reports of a soldier being murdered (in Texas I think) for being an atheist. However, if you want to just put it into Links, that's fine.

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Message 4 of 29 (656194)
03-16-2012 9:01 PM
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Hi Trixie,
Either my eyes are failing me or there's no link in Message 1.

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Message 5 of 29 (656195)
03-16-2012 9:07 PM
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No, your eyes are fine, it's my brain that's falling out
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Message 6 of 29 (656197)
03-16-2012 9:11 PM


Thread Copied from Proposed New Topics Forum
Thread copied here from the New Hampshire - Evolution-as-theory bill defeated thread in the Proposed New Topics forum.

  
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03-16-2012 10:14 PM
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03-16-2012 5:23 PM


Re: Nazi Darwinism Connection
Trixie writes:
I've just noticed this today and it was as expected. However, what is bothering me is the language used by the bill's main sponsor
Concord Monitor, 29th Dec 2011 writes:
He reportedly blamed the acceptance of evolution for the atrocities of Nazi Germany and the 1999 Columbine shooting, adding, "As a general court [the official term for the New Hampshire legislature] we should be concerned with criminal ideas like this and how we are teaching it."
So now evolution is a "criminal idea"? I think that's an outrageous statement to make and one he should be held to account for.
How on earth do we counter this sort of garbage?
You nor anyone else will never counter it, because it's factual
quote:
Darwinism and the Nazi Race Holocaust
by Jerry Bergman onNovember 1, 1999TechnicalKeywords
author-jerry-bergmanbiologygeneticsjournal-of-creationnazismFeatured In
Leading Nazis, and early 1900 influential German biologists, revealed in their writings that Darwin’s theory and publications had a major influence upon Nazi race policies. Hitler believed that the human gene pool could be improved by using selective breeding similar to how farmers breed superior cattle strains. In the formulation of their racial policies, Hitler’s government relied heavily upon Darwinism, especially the elaborations by Spencer and Haeckel. As a result, a central policy of Hitler’s administration was the development and implementation of policies designed to protect the ‘superior race’. This required at the very least preventing the ‘inferior races’ from mixing with those judged superior, in order to reduce contamination of the latter’s gene pool. The ‘superior race’ belief was based on the theory of group inequality within each species, a major presumption and requirement of Darwin’s original ‘survival of the fittest’ theory. This philosophy culminated in the ‘final solution’, the extermination of approximately six million Jews and four million other people who belonged to what German scientists judged as ‘inferior races’.
Introduction
Of the many factors that produced the Nazi holocaust and World War II, one of the most important was Darwin’s notion that evolutionary progress occurs mainly as a result of the elimination of the weak in the struggle for survival. Although it is no easy task to assess the conflicting motives of Hitler and his supporters, Darwinism-inspired eugenics clearly played a critical role. Darwinism justified and encouraged the Nazi views on both race and war. If the Nazi party had fully embraced and consistently acted on the belief that all humans were descendants of Adam and Eve and equal before the creator God, as taught in both the Old Testament and New Testament Scriptures, the holocaust would never have occurred.

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Message 8 of 29 (656202)
03-16-2012 10:18 PM
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03-16-2012 10:14 PM


Re: Nazi Darwinism Connection
You nor anyone else will never counter it, because it's factual
The fact that some bloke I've never heard of has told the same lie does not magically make it factual.

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Message 9 of 29 (656203)
03-16-2012 10:31 PM
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03-16-2012 10:18 PM


Re: Nazi Darwinism Connection
DA writes:
The fact that some bloke I've never heard of has told the same lie does not magically make it factual.
What's with you, these days, DA? Competing with Hooah for EvC top troll? How about you doing what no one else has? Refute the cited data.
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Message 10 of 29 (656204)
03-16-2012 10:39 PM
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03-16-2012 5:23 PM


I say we counter by blaming the acceptance of gravity for the death of people who choose their method of suicide as jumping from a tall building.
We can blame acceptance of germ theory for people getting sick.

"Science is interesting, and if you don't agree you can fuck off." -Dawkins

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Message 11 of 29 (656206)
03-16-2012 11:01 PM
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03-16-2012 10:31 PM


Re: Nazi Darwinism Connection
What's with you, these days, DA? Competing with Hooah for EvC top troll? How about you doing what no one else has? Refute the cited data.
With pleasure: there isn't any cited data. There's rhetoric, conjecture, wishful thinking, fabrication, and innuendo.

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Message 12 of 29 (656209)
03-16-2012 11:16 PM
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Re: Nazi Darwinism Connection
"I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.."

"Science is interesting, and if you don't agree you can fuck off." -Dawkins

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Message 13 of 29 (656213)
03-17-2012 12:10 AM
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03-16-2012 5:23 PM


So now evolution is a "criminal idea"?
Always has been from the earliest days of the anti-evolution movement in America, starting circa World War One (AKA "The Great War", AKA "The War to End All Wars"). All evil, including German militarism and the Red Scare, was blamed on evolution. They've always been spewing that nonsense, the only difference being that they didn't add Nazism until WWII.

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Message 14 of 29 (656218)
03-17-2012 12:44 AM
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03-16-2012 11:16 PM


Nazi Creationist Connection
"For it was by the Will of God that men were made of a certain bodily shape, were given their natures and their faculties." - Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, vol. ii, ch. x
"The most marvelous proof of the superiority of Man, which puts man ahead of the animals, is the fact that he understands that there must be a Creator." - Adolf Hitler, Hitler's Tabletalk (Tischgesprache im Fuhrerhauptquartier)

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Message 15 of 29 (656219)
03-17-2012 12:46 AM
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I also came across a creationist from one of the Scandinavian countries who blamed Darwinism for American free-market capitalism. Truly, it's the root of all evil, though what exactly is evil varies from person to person. But whatever's evil, Darwinism is responsible for it.

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