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Topic: Labor Pains In Colorado
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Jon
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Message 3 of 166 (656252)
03-17-2012 10:46 AM
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Reply to: Message 2 by RAZD
03-17-2012 10:38 AM
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Why does the apartment have to have two bedrooms?
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Jon
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Message 4 of 166 (656253)
03-17-2012 10:49 AM
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Reply to: Message 1 by Phat
03-16-2012 5:39 PM
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Union wages are what saves a middle class of consumers, however...nobody can help the economy (apart from wealthy stockholders) much by making $8.00 an hour...especially with inflation being factored in. I am open to ideas concerning this grim economic situation. I have only once ever earned minimum wage, and that was the first few months of my first job ever back when I was 16. Since then, even the starting pay for other jobs I've had has been above minimum wage. Aside from fast-food restaurants, I'm not aware of any other jobs where paying minimum wage is common practice. So how much of a problem is this, really?
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Jon
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Why any bedrooms at all? Why not just have the whole family sleep on the couch? Hell, why even have a bathroom when you could just walk to the gas station and use the shitter there and splash some water on your face to clean up. Who said there's a whole family living in the thing?
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Jon
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Why would you assume there wasn't? Are families not important enough to consider when calculating living cost that you should only factor in people with no children? Sure they are. But if we are considering them, then we need to consider the income from every member of the family.
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Message 14 of 166 (656290)
03-17-2012 2:02 PM
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Reply to: Message 9 by crashfrog
03-17-2012 1:11 PM
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Why does the apartment have to have two bedrooms? For the rest of the family, I presume. All those people, and yet our statistics are only taking into consideration the wages of a single worker?
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Jon
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Message 15 of 166 (656291)
03-17-2012 2:02 PM
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Reply to: Message 10 by crashfrog
03-17-2012 1:13 PM
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Oh, I see. Families are for the well-off. Obviously completely unrelated to what I said. Nice try, though.
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Jon
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Secondly, if we ARE considering the income of every member of the family and there ARE children but only, say, one worker, then every child takes away from the income and is a negative integer. Why are you still pretending there can only be one worker?
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Message 21 of 166 (656300)
03-17-2012 4:10 PM
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Reply to: Message 18 by RAZD
03-17-2012 4:02 PM
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The cost of a one bedroom apt is not that much less. Of course it is. Don't be silly.
This basic family (good ol' family values eh?) would need two bedrooms - or more if they had many children. Well that's not the employer's problem.
Because in days past a family had one working member while the other took care of children. Folk need to stop living in the past.
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Jon
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Message 24 of 166 (656303)
03-17-2012 4:12 PM
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Reply to: Message 17 by Phat
03-17-2012 3:37 PM
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Re: As long as we are nitpicking
I suppose that my argument is that US corporations care only for their bottom line and not for the integrity of the worker. Sure. That's exactly what they're designed to do.
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Jon
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I'm going to go ahead and assume you have no family of your own. So you have no reason for assuming only one worker?
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Jon
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Message 33 of 166 (656336)
03-17-2012 6:43 PM
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Reply to: Message 28 by RAZD
03-17-2012 4:23 PM
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No, but under the social contract it is his obligation to pay a fair wage for work performed. What social contract? What obligation?
How you judge fair wage is by how much it can support a small family. Who says that's fair?
The picture I posted above show graphically why there is so much poverty in the US. Because rent is too high?
If you claim it isn't then provide the evidence. You need to show that your statistics are reasonably relevant. That means showing that you considered the appropriate variables when crunching the numbers. Jon
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I've already explained why that is not always the case. Why should your employer care that you want to live in a two-bedroom apartment instead of a one-bedroom?
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Jon
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Companies are more important than people, right? Of course.
Americans shouldn't expect a living wage so long as they get a wage. Of course.
I think America is a first world country. Of course.
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Jon
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Then the minimum-ness of the wage you're not getting doesn't matter. And actually, maybe if the mimimum wage was lower, somebody could afford to employ you... But if they gotta pay you enough to afford a two-bedroom appartment, I could see why nobody would want to hire. And this is actually a good argument against minimum wagewhich needs to be gotten rid of.
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Message 62 of 166 (656678)
03-20-2012 10:31 PM
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Reply to: Message 60 by Perdition
03-20-2012 5:33 PM
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I doubt there is anyone out there who wants to raise a family on minimum wage. The fact remains that for many, that is the only option. Of course that's not the only option. For anyone. Ever. People can always choose not to raise a family.
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