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Author Topic:   Accretion Theory and an alternative
Jet Thomson
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Message 106 of 257 (656368)
03-18-2012 1:04 AM
Reply to: Message 48 by Dr Adequate
03-16-2012 12:54 PM


Re: Sponge and stick vs. physics and math
Re: Sponge and stick vs. physics and math
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My apologies. I tried to look back and see what that was all about and could not. I am here on determined to be more organized through out this forum.


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Jet Thomson
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Message 107 of 257 (656369)
03-18-2012 1:11 AM
Reply to: Message 51 by Panda
03-16-2012 1:48 PM


Re: Sponge and stick vs. physics and math
Jet Thomson writes:

someone who can hardly write or do math

Nuff said.

Thanks for the advice.


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Jet Thomson
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Message 108 of 257 (656371)
03-18-2012 1:56 AM
Reply to: Message 52 by Percy
03-16-2012 1:53 PM


Re: What Fun it is to Learn
First, let apologize for what I wrote. I now realize that I failed to back up what I was saying.
About the battery thing: I was trying to make a point about electron flow but I failed to express myself properly. Perhaps later I can debate this later with you.
On matter to energy convergance: I want to debate matter to energy convergance but need to get some research done first.
I have made a note in my file record on message 52. Perhaps some time in the future we can discuss this.
On the respect thing: I don't know what happened. I'll take responsibility and try respond quicker to all these messages and take a deep breath first.
All of this is a great help to me. Thanks.

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Jet Thomson
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From: Tucson, Az USA
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Message 109 of 257 (656373)
03-18-2012 2:00 AM
Reply to: Message 50 by Admin
03-16-2012 1:26 PM


Re: Moderator Request
This is all my fault. Quite a learning curve. I want to stay with this. My apologies to everyone. I will attempt to make my responses more clear and back up what I am saying.

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Jet Thomson
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Message 110 of 257 (656375)
03-18-2012 2:02 AM
Reply to: Message 53 by JonF
03-16-2012 1:59 PM


Re: What Fun it is to Learn
My apologies.

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Jet Thomson
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Message 111 of 257 (656376)
03-18-2012 2:34 AM
Reply to: Message 54 by Percy
03-16-2012 2:10 PM


Re: No pictures !!
Percy writes:

Jet Thomsom writes:

There is no way to convert a particle into energy.
...
Not even the explosion of an entire galaxy will destroy or convert one single particle.


Galaxies do not themselves explode, but their individual stars do, either as nova or supernova.

Matter to energy conversion takes place at the core of all stars. It is this conversion of matter to energy that is the source of a star's heat and light. In young stars the basic conversion process fuses 4 hydrogen atoms into 1 helium atom, in the process giving off both particles and a great deal of energy.

Have you thought much about the likelihood of someone who gets all his facts wrong coming up with a new and viable theory of galaxy and solar system formation?

--Percy

My response is: I want to debate this issue but I see I am going about it all wrong. Taken from this link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass%E2%80%93energy_equivalence
'Rather than mass being changed into energy, the view of special relativity is that rest mass has been changed to a more mobile form of mass, but remains mass.'

Somehow I got the wrong idea about all this some time ago. My last thoughts are still unsure about all this, but for now I conceed. If I come back to the issue, I will attempt not to be so unclear. Please accept my apologies. You have been very helpful to me.

Edited by Admin, : Fix quotes.


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Jet Thomson
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Message 112 of 257 (656378)
03-18-2012 2:53 AM
Reply to: Message 56 by Trixie
03-16-2012 4:08 PM


Re: No pictures
As far as graivty affecting the sponge experiment, I likely said that gravity has little effect on the results.

Later you wrote:
sunspots are certainly not scars from planetary ejections!

My response is: Sunspots may not be evidence of planetary ejections. I am simply suggesting that they are. At this time, discoveries of new planets are happening fast. Perhaps we shall soon see a planet in the process of being ejected by a star. We certainly are seeing young stars with large 'Hot Jupiters' very close the surface of its host star.
Thank you for your input.

Edited by Jet Thomson, : I wish to add a thank you note.


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Jet Thomson
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Message 113 of 257 (656379)
03-18-2012 3:14 AM
Reply to: Message 57 by Drosophilla
03-16-2012 4:11 PM


Re: Meanwhile on planet Zog.....
I apreciate your input.
In reference to the greats of science you wrote:
and you are saying all these great minds have got it wrong because they failed to stick a wet sponge on a stick and spin it round?

My respose is: Not entirely. My alternative theory arose from seeing so many other people saying 'current theory' is wrong. I am simply offering an alternative. In doing so, It was suggested to me to present the challenges to current theory as well.
Hawking recanted many of his claims after 28 years shortly after I sent him my thesis. I don't know if he changed his mind because of what I wrote, but I sure got a lot of phone calls that day.
Thank you again for your message. Jet


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Jet Thomson
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From: Tucson, Az USA
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Message 114 of 257 (656380)
03-18-2012 3:20 AM
Reply to: Message 63 by NoNukes
03-16-2012 6:25 PM


Re: Grrrr...
If I may...
What I am attempting to show is that electrons do not come out of batteries. They are tiny neutrino size particles and they flow from both directions. Unfortuneatly, I am not prepared to argue this point at this time.

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Jet Thomson
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Message 115 of 257 (656381)
03-18-2012 3:22 AM
Reply to: Message 64 by Percy
03-16-2012 7:03 PM


Re: Just what I needed
Got it. My apologies.

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Jet Thomson
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Message 116 of 257 (656382)
03-18-2012 3:44 AM
Reply to: Message 67 by Trixie
03-16-2012 7:29 PM


Re: No pictures
You wrote:
Have you looked at what conventional science says about sunspots and the evidence they have for what they say?

My response:
They are places where ejections happen. Taken from this link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunspot
'Most solar flares and coronal mass ejections originate in magnetically active regions around visible sunspot groupings.'


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Jet Thomson
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Message 117 of 257 (656383)
03-18-2012 3:52 AM
Reply to: Message 68 by Trixie
03-16-2012 7:42 PM


Re: Science v Dogma
You wrote:
you've still stuck to your hypothesis and claimed that only a star being dagged into a black hole in the centre of our galaxy counts. I have to ask why

My response:
Because we are tracking the stars around our center so that the evidence will be without doubt. Obsevations of other galaxies are too far away to know for sure what is going on.

You wrote:
Could you please deal with these outstanding questions instead of just repeating unfounded assertions?

My response:
Yes, and thank you for your input.


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Panda
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Message 118 of 257 (656384)
03-18-2012 4:10 AM
Reply to: Message 104 by Jet Thomson
03-18-2012 12:43 AM


Re: No pictures
Jet Thomson writes:

Panda writes:

Good trollin', bro.


I do not understand what you mean.

And that is pretty much conclusive evidence that you are a troll.

Tradition and heritage are all dead people's baggage. Stop carrying it!

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Message 119 of 257 (656385)
03-18-2012 4:20 AM
Reply to: Message 113 by Jet Thomson
03-18-2012 3:14 AM


Re: Meanwhile on planet Zog.....
Jet Thomson writes:

Hawking recanted many of his claims after 28 years shortly after I sent him my thesis. I don't know if he changed his mind because of what I wrote, but I sure got a lot of phone calls that day.



Tradition and heritage are all dead people's baggage. Stop carrying it!

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Jet Thomson
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Posts: 86
From: Tucson, Az USA
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Message 120 of 257 (656386)
03-18-2012 4:28 AM
Reply to: Message 69 by Percy
03-16-2012 8:17 PM


Re: No pictures
You wrote:
planetesimals formed in the early solar system, not planets.

My response:
Thanks. I will be more accurate.

You wrote:
The material from Saturn's rings appears to come from its moons or from collisions of its moons with other space bodies such as asteroids.

My response: In looking for large planet like bodies that have since collided with other large bodies, it is suggested that a giant moon crashed into Saturn as evidenced by its rings. Taken from this link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rings_of_Saturn
In December 2010, National Geographic suggested that the rings of Saturn could be the remains of a giant lost moon that was stripped of its icy shell before it crashed into the planet

You wrote:
Could you use some help with the quote codes?
Thanks, for now on I will use dBCodes.

Thank you.


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