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NoNukes
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Message 432 of 453 (656649)
03-20-2012 5:39 PM
Reply to: Message 424 by New Cat's Eye
03-20-2012 5:16 PM


Re: Trayvon Martin
CS writes:
And if not, then yeah, its shit legislation as youpoint out: If anyone can just say "oh, I felt threatened" and then be immune to criminal prosecution then that ain't right.
Dr A writes:
Zimmerman picked out his unarmed victim, stalked him, terrified him, and shot him, when Martin had never laid a finger on Zimmerman nor even done anything to mildly inconvenience him
CS writes:
How do you know all that?
We don't know if a of that is true. There is some evidence to that effect, but seemingly it doesn't even matter whether it is true. Apparently, Florida law allows you to shoot your way out of scary situations of your own making.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal and hasten the resurrection of the dead. William Lloyd Garrison

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NoNukes
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Message 444 of 453 (656667)
03-20-2012 7:50 PM
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03-20-2012 5:44 PM


Re: Trayvon Martin
On the face of the statute, the following appears to allow shootings by a person engaged in lawful activity, such as following an innocent person in such a way as to make that person fearful or angry enough to defend himself. It would not seem to matter whether the threatened person reasonably feared for his safety as long as he was wrong about the shooter's initial intentions.
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(3) A person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity and who is attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal and hasten the resurrection of the dead. William Lloyd Garrison

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NoNukes
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Message 448 of 453 (656697)
03-21-2012 8:48 AM
Reply to: Message 447 by Minnemooseus
03-21-2012 3:15 AM


Re: Trayvon Martin
Although the above quoted doesn't seem to cover what seems to be the "vaguely threatened" situation I understand the Trayvon Martin case to be.
But legally following someone might reasonably create a situation where said followee objects and challenges you. You might reasonably and accurately, perceive a substantial chance of getting your butt totally kicked in such a situation. The law appears to allow shooting in this situation rather than backing off.
And as Dr. Adequate points out, if the teenager was legally armed, he would certainly have been justified in plugging Zimmerman. Is this really the way any sane person wants his neighborhood to work?

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal and hasten the resurrection of the dead. William Lloyd Garrison

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