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Author Topic:   Is evolution based on empirical science?
CrytoGod
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Message 1 of 8 (656683)
03-20-2012 11:53 PM


Absolutely not!

Have we ever observed bacteria evolve into something else other than bacteria?

What about fruitflies? Nope. Still the same even after decades of fruitfly experiments. Sure the mutants have a different form and such (albeit more sickly and less fit) but they are still fruitflies.

Have we ever observed a reptile evolve into a bird?

Have we ever observed molecules evolve into a life form? Nope and nope.

Evolution is not based on hard science but made up stories by people who spent thousands of dollars to get a title on their name.

Don't be deceived. You are not the result of billions of years of evolution.

That said there are hardcore skeptics who say they only believe what they see but they have never seen evolution. A cat gives birth to a cat. A dog gives birth to a dog. People give birth to humans. Yet these same skeptics believe all life evolved from some

primordial cell without ever observing it. Talk about being inconsistent and loopy ·It takes a lot of faith to believe the evolution story.


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Message 2 of 8 (656694)
03-21-2012 7:09 AM
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So that the thread can begin with a focus on evidence right at the outset, could you add to your topic proposal two or three examples of the kind of evidence for evolution that you'll be disputing?

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Message 3 of 8 (656710)
03-21-2012 10:54 AM


How about fruitflies and bacteria?

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03-21-2012 11:26 AM
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CrytoGod writes:

How about fruitflies and bacteria?

Sure. Can you provide a couple examples of the kind of evidence for the evolution of fruit flies and bacteria that you'll be disputing?


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Message 5 of 8 (656714)
03-21-2012 11:34 AM
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Its in the OP.

Fruit flies are still fruit flies despite decades of experiments on them. Same with bacteria. Bacteria is still bacteria. No one that I know of have observed it evolve into something that wasn't a fruitfly or bacteria.


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Message 6 of 8 (656748)
03-21-2012 4:37 PM
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03-21-2012 11:34 AM


Hi CrytoGod,

You have in mind experiments in evolution conducted on fruit flies and bacteria, right? In that case I think almost everyone would agree with you that at those levels of classification, fruit flies and bacteria, we've never observed family or domain boundaries being crossed through evolutionary processes, so there's nothing to debate, unless there's some specific evidence for evolution that you'd like to dispute.


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Message 7 of 8 (656750)
03-21-2012 4:58 PM
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03-21-2012 4:37 PM


So you agree evolution has never been observed? Great!

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Message 8 of 8 (656752)
03-21-2012 5:53 PM
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03-21-2012 4:58 PM


Hi CrytoGod,

I'm not trying to have a pre-debate with you. As moderator I don't have a position on the issue, but I am very familiar with many aspects of the creation/evolution controversy from both points of view. The goal is to put your thread proposal in shape to be promoted, but you haven't yet identified any meaningful debate issues.

I can close this proposal if that's what you'd like, but I received the impression that you actually wanted to discuss the laboratory evidence for evolution from experiments on bacteria and fruit flies. If you can add a few evidence-based specifics that you'd like to discuss then I think it would improve your proposal a great deal.


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