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Message 70 of 166 (656718)
03-21-2012 12:02 PM
Reply to: Message 50 by New Cat's Eye
03-20-2012 2:28 PM


Re: What's the point of minimum wage?
Do people honestly think that the point of it is to be the minimum amount you can raise a family on?

That is the whole point of the minimum wage. It is supposed to be a wage that affords a family the basic necessitites. The idea is that it is immoral to pay workers less than what it takes to live.


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Message 74 of 166 (656726)
03-21-2012 1:32 PM
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03-21-2012 12:22 PM


Re: What's the point of minimum wage?
And it is stupid to pay workers more than what their work earns the employer.

Since the employer sets the price for their services/goods I really don't see a problem.

The idea of a government mandated minimum wage is to prevent companies from undercutting each other through immoral labor practices. We could say the same thing about safety measures as well. A company could cut their bottom line by spending less money on worker safety. Afterall, why spend more on protecting the workers than what their work earns the employer, right? If a worker dies they can always hire a new worker, so why should they care?


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Message 75 of 166 (656727)
03-21-2012 1:36 PM
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03-21-2012 12:24 PM


If the government believes it is in the best interest of the nation to have adults with families earning more than teenagers for the exact same work, then it is the government that should pick up on paying those extra earnings.

From my understanding of law, Congress sets the rules and businesses are required to follow those rules.


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Message 78 of 166 (656734)
03-21-2012 3:01 PM
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03-21-2012 2:32 PM


Re: What's the point of minimum wage?
Of course the employer doesn't set the price. Don't be stupid.

Really? So when I go to the grocery store who decides what to put on the price tags?


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Message 91 of 166 (656840)
03-22-2012 12:09 PM
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03-21-2012 9:20 PM


Re: A Matter Of Honor
But what value do grocery baggers add to the company?

Customer loyalty. I know a few older women who will only go to a certain store because they have good baggers who also take their groceries out to their car for them.

Quite honestly, myself, and many other people I know, cannot stand grocery baggers because they are stupid snot-nosed teenagers who don't give a flying fuck about your groceries and can't even grasp the simple concept of cold with cold and hot with hot.

Then perhaps they should increase the starting pay by $2 to attract better employees. Many, many people are looking for good customer service nowadays. They will even spend a few extra dollars for good customer service.

Bagging groceries, of course, isn't work.

Then perhaps you could just start taking people's groceries to their car for free in your free time?


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Message 94 of 166 (656846)
03-22-2012 12:38 PM


Ted Rall Article
I don't know if any of you read Ted Rall's stuff, but it is . . . interesting. I don't endorse everything he says, but I do find his columns worth reading. In one of his recent articles he argued that we should pay people to just stay home due to increases in effeciency.

quote:
If productivity increases year after year after year, employers need fewer and fewer employees to sustain or expand the same level of economic activity. But this sets up a conundrum. If only employees have money, only employees can consume goods and services. As unemployment rises, the pool of consumers shrinks. . .

Whatever comes next, revolutionary overthrow or reform of the existing system, Americans are going to have to accept a reality that will be hard for a nation of strivers to take: we’re going to have to start paying people to sit at home.


You can find the article here:
http://www.rall.com/...ure-not-underemployed-youre-underpaid


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Message 121 of 166 (656941)
03-23-2012 11:54 AM
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03-22-2012 7:49 PM


Re: Assumptions a plenty inbound
Many poor people get their tax liability reduced to $0.

Perhaps their income tax, but there are plenty of taxes that they still pay. If they have a job then they get 10% or so taken off of the top of their pay just by Social Security and Medicare taxes. If they live in a state with sales tax and gas tax then they pay those as well. They may also be paying for vehicle registration. If they are renting part of that rent is used by the owner of the property to pay property tax (if that state has that tax). We can also tack on "sin" taxes on alcohol and tobacco.


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Message 158 of 166 (658359)
04-04-2012 11:42 AM
Reply to: Message 156 by Artemis Entreri
04-03-2012 12:55 PM


No I really won't, Socialists are the reason this country is becoming a pile of shit.

Yeah, those free socialist roads we drive on and those free socialist elementary schools are the scurge of society. Don't even get me started on those socialist police and fire departments. Our country would be so much better if we had a 75% literacy rate where only 80% of people could afford to use transportation while houses burn down because the privately owned fire department did not received their payment from those addresses.

yeah i'm not forcing people who have kids to work minimum wage, nor am i asking people on minimum wage to have kids, just as "they" shouldn't force (hurt) me to pay for their ineptitude, and lack of thinking or responsibility.

A days work should earn a livable wage. This is what should happen in a moral society.

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Message 161 of 166 (658404)
04-04-2012 3:18 PM
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04-04-2012 3:05 PM


I went to private school and I live on a private road that I maintain.

Do you drive everywhere on private roads, and do you only do business with people who went to private schools?

fuck the police, I have lived in an unincorporated area for most of my life (one with no fire department),

do you know how many times my house caught fire? (zero)

what if what if what if. is this perdition's 2nd account?

what does literacy have to do with any of this?

Do you seriously think society would be better without police and fire departments? Do you think we would be better of with a 75% literacy rate?

it does

That is not what the data is showing.


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Message 163 of 166 (658481)
04-05-2012 11:33 AM
Reply to: Message 162 by Artemis Entreri
04-04-2012 3:32 PM


no but private roads is a possibility, I commute to work on one almost everyday. (Dulles Greenway).

The freeway system was a huge boon to this country. It opened up free transportation allowing for cheap transport of goods across the country on reliable roads. We wouldn't be where we are right now without it. Socialist roads are a big plus.

I don't know, I don't ask people where they went to school.

Surely you are aware that the vast majority of people went to socialist schools, yes?

without police? definitely.

So you would have no problem with murders going unsolved and uninvestigated? Are you so shortsighted that you see no positive effect of law enforcement?

without fire departments, I am unsure i have almost zero relations or experience with them except when I see them begging for money at stoplights.

Then you are very lucky. A house I was living in developed a short in one of the attic fans which started a fire in the attic. Without the fire department I really doubt I could have opened up the roof and put out the fire before it engulfed the entire house.

why do you refuse to answer my question on how literacy has anything to do with this?

In my estimation, that would be the literacy rate if socialist schools went away. Between the civil war and the beginning of the public school system the literacy rate was very low amongst minorities. The public school system was founded on the idea that education should be available to all in a democracy. I guess you are against this socialist principle.

depends what you are looking at. if its the simple graph at the beginning of this, then you are making a lot of assumptions.

So says the person who assumes that the current minimum wage is a livable wage.


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