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Author Topic:   An Atheist By Any Other Name . . .
Heathen
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Message 4 of 209 (657514)
03-29-2012 9:11 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Taq
03-28-2012 12:46 PM


"Godless"?

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Heathen
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Message 8 of 209 (657526)
03-29-2012 9:50 AM
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03-29-2012 9:17 AM


Re: ...is still an Atheist
Sounds like they have all they require to do that exact same thing with the original "Atheist" term.
I guess the notion that "heathen" has been out of common use for a while, allows for easier re-definition. i.e. any connotations it may have/have had are not so fresh in the psyche.
Because atheist is still very much in use and has the supposed connotations freshly in tow, any use of it carries those connotations.

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Heathen
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Message 9 of 209 (657528)
03-29-2012 9:51 AM
Reply to: Message 7 by Straggler
03-29-2012 9:31 AM


Re: I'm a Heathen!!
"Brights" just seems arrogant
it does have kind of a "we know best" feel to it like whoever is saying it is looking down their nose as they say it.
Reminds me of the south park episode where all the Prius drivers love the smell of their own farts...

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Heathen
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Message 75 of 209 (658046)
04-02-2012 2:19 AM
Reply to: Message 22 by Theodoric
03-29-2012 1:08 PM


Re: ...is still an Atheist
Where does this idea that heathen has no negative connotations come from?
I never said that. in fact the opposite was being proposed.
the author of the original article talked about "reclaiming" the word, in the same way other words with negative connotations have been reclaimed and used by the people who they were meant to describe.

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Heathen
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Message 77 of 209 (658084)
04-02-2012 8:57 AM
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04-02-2012 8:43 AM


Re: ...is still an Atheist
Look, It's pretty clear from the article in question what the intent was.
read it again. I'm getting tired of re-explaining it.
You seem to have assumed that this is all somehow my idea or that I am an apologist for it. This is not the case. I am not the author of the article.
Like I said, I posted it as a discussion point, not to be held to task for its contents.
Edited by Heathen, : No reason given.

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Heathen
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Message 79 of 209 (658087)
04-02-2012 9:19 AM
Reply to: Message 78 by Theodoric
04-02-2012 9:08 AM


Re: ...is still an Atheist
Do you understand the intent of the author when he talks about finding an alternative title?
Do you understand what he means when he talks about "Reclaiming" a word in the same way the originally derogatory words 'Gay' or 'Methodist' or 'Quaker' were reclaimed by the people they describe?
Do you understand that the meanings of words can and do change over time depending on their use? eg "Gay"
I have pointed out issues I have had with the concepts presented by the author and yourself
The only issue you seem to have is the use of the word heathen, this is a minor part of the article as presented, yet you seem hung up on it.
anyway, this is the wrong thread to discuss the Original article.

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Heathen
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Message 81 of 209 (658093)
04-02-2012 10:12 AM
Reply to: Message 80 by Theodoric
04-02-2012 9:34 AM


Re: ...is still an Atheist
which you misrepresented from the start
I didn't misrepresent anything. I provided a summary in bullet points, (so as not to post a bare link as per forum guidelines), including what I thought was the main thrust of the article,
(the "re-naming" as someone mentioned above (Rahvin maybe?) being a semantic triviality.)

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