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Author Topic:   The Three Kinds of Creationists
jar
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Message 336 of 432 (658357)
04-04-2012 11:35 AM
Reply to: Message 335 by Taq
04-04-2012 11:20 AM


Re: Supernatural 101
Again, maybe you should stop trying to tell me what I say or believe, or actually get it right and in context.
Read what you actually quoted.
jar writes:
However in the example under discussion, being on a jury in a trial, we are charged to put aside personal beliefs and to make a decision based solely on the evidence presented.
My personal beliefs are my personal beliefs, nothing more.
Again, read what I wrote.
jar writes:
The actions cannot be evidenced or the entity performing the actions but the results can be evidenced.
If you are having trouble reading that I will try different words.
If God planted the finger prints we can see the result, the finger prints are there. But we have no way to observe, test, inspect the actual act itself, the act of God planting the finger print.
And I am still clueless what it is that you see problematic about my worldview.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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jar
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Message 338 of 432 (658371)
04-04-2012 12:32 PM
Reply to: Message 337 by Straggler
04-04-2012 12:22 PM


Re: Supernatural 101
I imagine that you can show a post where I have said that any of my beliefs are superior to anything or where I have ever said that you should consider any impossible to evidence things.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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jar
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Message 340 of 432 (658373)
04-04-2012 12:58 PM
Reply to: Message 339 by Taq
04-04-2012 12:53 PM


Re: Supernatural 101
Well of course I believe things where there is no evidence that could be produced for you or anyone else to examine.
That does not man that I do not have sufficient evidence to support my personal beliefs, but it is personal evidence. Might I be wrong or misinterpreting that evidence? Of course.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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jar
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Message 342 of 432 (658375)
04-04-2012 1:18 PM
Reply to: Message 341 by Taq
04-04-2012 1:03 PM


Re: Supernatural 101
I honestly don't know. It is possible for me to believe that I have evidence, even if that might be wrong. But evidence is totally irrelevant when it comes to the supernatural.
That is the basis of faith.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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jar
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Message 347 of 432 (658391)
04-04-2012 2:59 PM
Reply to: Message 346 by Perdition
04-04-2012 2:53 PM


Re: acting on personal beliefs
Believing in the supernatural is irrational.
I still don't see what your issue is?
In the case in point, a jury trial, you are charged to set aside personal beliefs and deal solely with the evidence.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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jar
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Message 350 of 432 (658399)
04-04-2012 3:11 PM
Reply to: Message 349 by Perdition
04-04-2012 3:08 PM


Re: acting on personal beliefs
More nonsense, sorry but it is.
Yes science is rational and some of my beliefs are irrational. But my worldview is more complex than that. And so far you have still failed to show any area where my so called worldview would have any impact that might cause a conflict.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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jar
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Message 352 of 432 (658406)
04-04-2012 3:28 PM
Reply to: Message 351 by Straggler
04-04-2012 3:15 PM


Re: Supernatural 101
Whatever.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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jar
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Message 354 of 432 (658409)
04-04-2012 3:36 PM
Reply to: Message 353 by Straggler
04-04-2012 3:34 PM


Re: Supernatural 101
Then you take it incorrectly.
You are free to continue to take what I say out of context, to misrepresent what I say and to use emotive language as much as you want.
That has absolutely nothing to do with what I actually said or the context involved.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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jar
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Message 356 of 432 (658413)
04-04-2012 3:49 PM
Reply to: Message 355 by Straggler
04-04-2012 3:41 PM


Re: Supernatural 101
HUH?
By me?
Well yes, my personal beliefs are worthy of my consideration.
Other peoples beliefs are worthy of their consideration.
Why would I care about what personal beliefs anyone else has?
If they try to convince others to believe as they do, then it becomes an issue.
But I have never asked you or anyone else to judge the worthiness of any of my personal beliefs or even to consider the worthiness of my beliefs.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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jar
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Message 363 of 432 (658484)
04-05-2012 11:48 AM
Reply to: Message 362 by Straggler
04-05-2012 11:42 AM


Re: Supernatural 101
Well, since I have never said otherwise, why do you keep asking the same question and expect a different answer?

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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jar
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Message 367 of 432 (658493)
04-05-2012 12:41 PM
Reply to: Message 366 by Straggler
04-05-2012 12:29 PM


Re: Supernatural 101
I note that you continue to take my quotes out of context and that you continue to use emotive terms and that's fine if it makes you happy.
However I wish you would point out where I ever used the term disdain.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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jar
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Message 369 of 432 (658503)
04-05-2012 2:05 PM
Reply to: Message 368 by Straggler
04-05-2012 12:55 PM


Re: Supernatural 101
Had I thought something was worthy of disdain I would have used the word disdain.
Again, we were discussing a particular scenario, that of being on a jury.
My comments were made solely within the context of acting as a juror.
Your question is simply impossible to answer except within a specific and specified context and I have answered that repeatedly.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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jar
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Message 371 of 432 (658507)
04-05-2012 2:12 PM
Reply to: Message 370 by Straggler
04-05-2012 2:10 PM


Re: Supernatural 101
Again, that has been covered.
When it is a personal belief. It is called Faith as I have said before in this thread.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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jar
Member (Idle past 395 days)
Posts: 34026
From: Texas!!
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Message 373 of 432 (658513)
04-05-2012 2:29 PM
Reply to: Message 372 by Straggler
04-05-2012 2:16 PM


Re: Supernatural 101
Well, I have never said that any of my personal beliefs are "worthy of your consideration" that I know of.
In fact I have said throughout this thread that in the case of being on a jury even I should disregard my personal beliefs and address only the evidence presented, so again I am at a loss just what you need me to say?

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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jar
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Message 375 of 432 (658515)
04-05-2012 2:47 PM
Reply to: Message 374 by Straggler
04-05-2012 2:38 PM


Re: Supernatural 101
Your personal beliefs are solely your business and I have never tried to tell you what you should find worthy of your consideration.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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