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Message 119 of 307 (655576)
03-11-2012 2:48 PM
Reply to: Message 116 by foreveryoung
03-11-2012 2:40 PM


Re: Fool me once
HUH?
The actual order stuff was created does not depend on any POV.
The actual method used to create stuff does not depend on POV.
The much newer God in the younger Genesis 1 story is supremely competent, creating by will alone, never hesitant, never unsure but aloof, separate, overarching, not interacting with the creation, while the God in the much older Genesis 2&3 story is fumbling, creating by hand, learning on the job, sometimes unsure and afraid yet personable, intimate, directly interacting with the creation.
If you are taking the books literally point of view is irrelevant and the words must mean exactly what they say.

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Message 123 of 307 (655586)
03-11-2012 4:19 PM
Reply to: Message 121 by Kairyu
03-11-2012 4:03 PM


Re: Another stock contradiction example?
Oh, that one is easy.
He used the money to buy a field where he hung himself, hanging there until the cheap rope he bought to save money for the field purchase rotted and he fell bursting his intestines with such force that it was heard over Roy and Dale singing Happy Trails and spraying blood all over the field Triggering the naming of the field.

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jar
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Message 128 of 307 (655602)
03-11-2012 7:01 PM
Reply to: Message 124 by foreveryoung
03-11-2012 4:55 PM


Re: paranormal evidence for tangle and everyone
You understand that absolutely no evidence was presented in that video that supports either unnatural or supernatural causes.
The video is a great example of "Testimony", making unsupported assumptions and assertions; of "I can't explain this therefore supernatural."

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Message 196 of 307 (656495)
03-19-2012 10:54 AM
Reply to: Message 192 by foreveryoung
03-19-2012 9:30 AM


Re: Fool me once
If you destroy the legitimacy of the bible, you have made Christianity worthless. Theistic evolutionists here have objected and claim Christianity still provides morality to the world.
I suppose that you can provide even one link to where a Theistic evolutionist made such a claim.
One of the very first lessons in the Bible is that man does not even need God to be moral, much less Christianity.
Have you ever read the Bible?
quote:
Genesis 3:21-22
21 The LORD God made garments of skin for Adam and his wife and clothed them. 22 And the LORD God said, The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.

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jar
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Message 242 of 307 (659205)
04-13-2012 12:27 PM
Reply to: Message 240 by GDR
04-13-2012 11:56 AM


anger is normal
Anger is a normal part of change when very strongly held beliefs are challenged and shown to be false. Initially, that anger is most often directed at the change agent, in this case those Christians, theists and secularists that have responded to forever young. Too often they are the only conscious target since the family, friends, teachers and clergy that have been lying to the person and who taught them all the falsehoods that are "Creationism" are initially in a privileged and protected class.
Change is often a painful process and foreveryoung is faced with a terrifying scenario.
But it is also very encouraging and hopefully he will be able to learn and grow, and eventually instead of turning his anger towards those who caused all the pain, the family, friends, teachers and clergy that taught him all the falsehoods that are "Creationism", will learn to pity them and try to help them out of the dark pit that is "Creationism".

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jar
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Message 252 of 307 (659358)
04-15-2012 3:05 PM
Reply to: Message 251 by foreveryoung
04-15-2012 3:02 PM


You know that the rant in question was NOT deleted, only hidden. If you like I will happily post it here for you.

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jar
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Message 255 of 307 (659361)
04-15-2012 3:17 PM
Reply to: Message 254 by foreveryoung
04-15-2012 3:11 PM


posted at the request of foreveryoung.
foreveryoung's rant writes:
dwise1 writes:
Ah! So if you're not drinking then you are suffering from a mental and/or emotional affliction. Or your fundamentalist brainwashing has bleached out your neo-cortex.
You see, that's the problem that your theology creates. Drawing directly from his own fundamentalist upbringing, Dan Barker describes it as "when your theology becomes your theology." You see, we are Normals, whereas you are one of the aberants. Your brain is broken. You undoubtedly came in still believing that your way was right and that we "atheists" (most of us are not atheists, just not blind fundies) would just collapse when you dazzled us with your superior divine knowledge and arguments.
And then reality bit you in the butt across both cheeks. You were completely unprepared to engage in any kind of discussion. You cannot deal with reality. So then you lash out in anger. You just cannot figure out to deal with the fact that all you have is crap. And with your fundamentalist psychology, that endangers your faith.
Sorry, but this is something that you need to work out yourself. Obviously, when one finds that what one believes is false, then one must deal with that, knowing that the problem at worst lies with the theology and not with any deities that theology deals with. After all, all theology is man-made. But then that is what a Normal would think, whereas you are a fundamentalist Aberant still entrapped by your theology-turned-psychology. You need to work that out for yourself, though you might find some inspiration at http://www.ex-christian.net/ from those who had gone through the same thing themselves.
This is typical of the arrogance and hatred of the biblical literalist around here. He proceeds to psychoanalyze me as if I needed medication. My brain is not broken. I am perfectly fine. If you tried to reason every once in a while you might realize that I may not be like that all the time. Has it ever occurred to you that I only get that way around certain people? Have you ever considered that there is something inherently hateful in your posts aimed at me? People don't just become enraged for no reason. Your posts are full of hate just like many of the people on here who hate creationists. You deny that you hate them but your words and actions speak for themselves. I know that you cannot see your own hatred. Every self righteous person is like that. Another reason for that is that you have been so severely propagandized by the philosophy that most on this forum have been propagandized with most of their lives. You think every normal person should be guided by this philosophy and you have been so accustomed to it, you don't even realize you have such a philosophy. The biblical literalist or fundamentalist is the only person in modern america who does not share your philosophy and these are the only people you don't have the capability to understand. What you don't understand, you naturally hate. It is a human trait. It is a similar trait to the one where you fear the unknown.
Yes, I have been full of rage, and downright hatred toward most of you. I absolutely despise your philosophy of life and it turns into rage when under the proper conditions. Those conditions? Constant ridicule and piling on. If I could deal with only one person at a time, I probably would not explode as I do. The other condition is stress and worries and the emotions those bring about. I have been very upset and emotional about some things lately and there is one emotional, self esteem related issue I have dealt with my whole life. This one has come to life the last few months and has put me on edge. I would still despise most of you, however, even if I did not have this emotional issue; it just aggravated things. I know for certain that you and everybody else has some kind of personal issue, but since most of you are self righteous hypocrites, you only see my outbursts and think you a better people than me. Ok. So you are better person than to lose control like that on a public forum? Goody fucking two shoes to you buddy. You do other things in life that are worse than that. How do I know? You are human and it is inevitable. Your problem is that you can only see the problems with fundamentalists and you cannot see your own problems. Your hatred for the fundamentalist makes you think your own problems are miniscule in comparision to the fundamentalist. This is one big reason why I HATE YOU and everyone else who thinks like you do. Someone here said that I wasn't a drunk and I wasn't a troll. He said he believed I truly hated most of you and that I was just a jerk. He was absolutely right about the first part. While the second part is true of me sometimes, I am no more a jerk than the rest of you here; I just don't hide my true feelings about you like you guys try your best to about me.
I will admit that I cannot see how your rant is in anyway related to what dwise1 posted.
Edited by jar, : appalin spallin in sub-title

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jar
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Message 261 of 307 (659374)
04-15-2012 4:45 PM
Reply to: Message 256 by dwise1
04-15-2012 3:33 PM


Re: posted at the request of foreveryoung.
Sorry but I do NOT agree with your assessment at all.
I see no signs of a "raving lunatic".

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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jar
Member (Idle past 393 days)
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From: Texas!!
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Message 280 of 307 (659410)
04-15-2012 8:10 PM
Reply to: Message 278 by foreveryoung
04-15-2012 7:58 PM


Re: posted at the request of foreveryoung.
Why do you think anyone here hates "Creationists"; Creationists are simply not significant enough to engender "hate".
I think that it is pitiful that there are still Creationists and hate the idea that there are people who claim to be teachers that try to sell such nonsense.

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jar
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Message 287 of 307 (659420)
04-15-2012 8:20 PM
Reply to: Message 284 by foreveryoung
04-15-2012 8:12 PM


Re: posted at the request of foreveryoung.
You may think that is hateful, but if you do it is simply more evidence of you being wrong.
Hell, folk at this board have called be lots of really nasty names, even said that I should be taken out and shot. Do I hate them? No, of course not. At most they are worthy of a chuckle or three.
But I do hate the idea that there are still folk that teach utter nonsense to vulnerable young kids like Creationism or that the Biblical Flood happened.

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