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Taq Member Posts: 10081 Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
It doesn't look too bad to me. It is the same verbage that the Discovery Institute uses to describe ID. All we need to do now is wait for a teacher to teach creationism in class and the subsequent law suit. If they didn't learn their lesson in Dover perhaps they will learn it this time.
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Taq Member Posts: 10081 Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
Yeah, that's what WK was getting at. Do you have a link or something? Here you go:
quote: They continually strive to separate themselves from religious claims. I would check out the entire page that I cite above. They make themselves look as scientific as possible while pushing aside references to the supernatural. As far as I can tell, teachers could use this as shelter for presenting ID in science class. Edited by Taq, : No reason given.
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Taq Member Posts: 10081 Joined: Member Rating: 5.1
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Mainly it is because they are extremely biased, dishonest, and untrustworthy. They are Authoritarians, who are against liberty and states rights.
I think you should read up on a few of these Constitutional cases: The Talk.Origins Archive: Debates, Gatherings &
Court Decisions Epperson v. Arkansas might be worth your attention.
That is because it is not there. I can’t wait to read what the BIG government types have to say as they show their true colors. Big Government would be using the government to indoctrinate children into specific theologies. That is what we are speaking against.
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Taq Member Posts: 10081 Joined: Member Rating: 5.1
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We all know that most students aren't properly equipped to decide between two "competing" theories of which better represents reality. From reading these forums, we know that there are many adults that don't understand what a scientific theory is. I would suspect that many of the Tennessee legislators who passed this bill probably don't really understand what a scientific theory is. I don't see how this bill attempts to cure this problem. In fact, I only see this bill making it worse. Students may very well be taught what science is by Behe. Get ready for a new generation of kids who think Astrology is a science.
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Taq Member Posts: 10081 Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
and that is not what this is, no matter how much to want to spin it that way. TN is not big government. Using the state powers to shield public school teachers who want to teach religion in public school classrooms is Big Government. It is a major violation of our rights. It is government intruding where they should never intrude.
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Taq Member Posts: 10081 Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
Do you live in Tennessee?
I live in the United States.
Clearly that is not the case here. Give it time.
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Taq Member Posts: 10081 Joined: Member Rating: 5.1
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Our forebears founded this republic on Biblical principles, . . . Which principles are those? From what I have read, our Founding Fathers based this Republic on Enlightenment philosophy, such as John Locke's idea of natural rights and social contracts. If anything, our Constitution is a direct violation of one of the Ten Commandments. The Old Testament tells us that we are to worship no other gods, and have no idols. The US Constitution tells us we can do both. Religious freedom is certainly not in the Bible.
No, me friends, what we need is to educate the kiddies in our schools on the Constitution, as it was, since this nation's founding , until the progressives moved in. I think you should take your own advice.
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Taq Member Posts: 10081 Joined: Member Rating: 5.1
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Me too (I live in Virginia). so please explain how a law in TN affects OUR (mine and your) rights in other states/commonwealths; A violation of any American's rights should concern every American.
I responded because you insinuated that this was affecting everyone, that this is big government, and somehow we in states outside of TN should be alarmed at how some insignificant law in TN is reducing our rights? Every American should worry when Big Government uses legislation to try and work around Constitutional rights. That is exactly the intent of this law. Has been from the very beginning. The motivation of this law was NOT to improve the education of children, but to give teachers the ability to use creationist arguments in science class against theories that religious people find threatening.
oh it is some slippery slope argument? Nope. Just saying that a court case can not be brought against the state until constitutional rights are actually violated. In my experience, it is only a matter of time before a science teacher uses this law to teach creationist arguments in science class.
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Taq Member Posts: 10081 Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
why should it concern me that people in NYC are denied their 2nd amendment rights?
If someone can violate the rights of a New Yorker then they can violate your rights as well. I personally think that is a problem. I don't live on the Island of Taq where I am the only citizen. What happens to others within the rule of law also affects me.
oddly none of that is stated in the law. don't be like stubby you are 10X the poster that he is. Odd, isn't it? It's almost like they are trying to hide the intent of the law. Wonder why? Could it be that the intent of the law is to circumvent the 2nd Ammendment?
really!?! according to you guys a scientist would NEVER teach religion. When I attended university many of the professors in the science department attended the same Methodist church. I would strongly suspect that they taught religion within the context of Sunday school or church services, but these lessons were [sarcasm]oddly[/sarcasm] missing from lectures in my genetics, cell bio, histology, etc. classes. I don't doubt that there are scientists out there that teach in other Sunday School's. That is not the point. The point is that it is a violation of the 2nd Ammendment to indoctrinate students into religious beliefs as part of the curriculum in a public, government funded school. When this happens people can bring complaints to the justic system. The Tennessee law gives shelter to teachers who want to bring in creationist arguments against evolution. That is the intent of the law which is obvious to just about everyone. Just read up on the Dover trial.
{WRONG AMMENDMENT - SEE BELOW - BUT NO MORE 2ND AMMENDMENT COMMENTS - ADMINNEMOOSEUS} Edited by Taq, : No reason given. Edited by Adminnemooseus, : In red.
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Taq Member Posts: 10081 Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
Wrong amendment... that one's about guns. Hehe, I am getting my discussions mixed up. Was discussing 2nd Ammend. rights with someone else a few nights ago.
Edited by Taq, : No reason given. Edited by Adminnemooseus, : No reason given.
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