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Phat Member Posts: 18332 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
jar,in another thread writes: I fail to see how God can be described this way if one actually believes that they have communion with Him. So asking if GOD is good is a limiting question. GOD is good, and I believe I've pointed out some reasons that I believe that to be true. But GOD is also terrible. Does GOD also embody evil? Yes. GOD is complete. GOD is all. GOD is Yin and Yang. GOD was and is and will be. Is GOD worthy of respect, acknowledgement or praise? IMHO, yes. And fear and awe. And love and honor. GOD Is! IMHO the only reason God allowed evil to exist was as a possibility...not an actuality. It makes no sense for evil to exist. Granted, humans assigned the value evil but even humans don't normally wish evil on their brethren. If humans have the capacity to avoid evil and seek good, surely God is no worse at it than we are. I also disagree with the yin/yang dualism assigned to GOD. Strictly my belief, however.
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Phat Member Posts: 18332 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
You should question why some humans cant imagine an intelligence greater than our own feeble species and why its silly to imagine such an authority?
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Phat Member Posts: 18332 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
ok, assuming that humans are responsible for their own authority...I suppose we are responsible for goodness also. But its nice to imagine a Divine Dad that can spellcheck my decisions and inspire me to greater heights.
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Phat Member Posts: 18332 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
quote: Why is it a contradiction to say that God can create or allow something to exist that He is not?
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Phat Member Posts: 18332 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Creating the option of darkness merely allows free will. If I had a kid, for example, and commanded them to stay inside and never go outside, the free will of the child would only be established if there was an outside. If reality consisted only of "inside" or of "light" there would be no outside...no darkness...with which to give free will a viable alternative. Thats my take on it, in a nutshell.
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Phat Member Posts: 18332 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0
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Stile writes: I believe in communion. His Spirit being allowed to commune with our spirit. Any decisions are entirely ours...as the responsible party...but His influence helps to shape our decision. My point is that we cant make an informed (or complete) decision without knowing His heart/His conscience. This is what it means to have the mind of Christ.
Personally, I would argue that values we come up with ourselves are more valid than anything pronounced from someone else (even God Himself).
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Phat Member Posts: 18332 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
OK. Are you saying that the whole idea of "His Spirit" seems ridiculous to you?
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Phat Member Posts: 18332 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Larni writes: Thing is, we dont limit our God soley to a described character, as if He were merely a character in a book. We tend to have an idea of what type of character He is....of course we could be wrong.
Fluffy bunny Xians often forget about how much of a supreme cunt their god is described to be.
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Phat Member Posts: 18332 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Stile writes: I'm even talking about a fictional world as well though. Consider a world where God is prevalent, personal, and approachable. He exists, and is amongst us and there is no confusion at all as to wether or not He is all-powerful, and the creator of all seen and unseen.Even given all that... I still think that our personal creation of our own values for good/bad would be more important than those pronounced from His Excellency without reasoning that can be agreed upon. (And, if we are agreeing upon reasoning... then it's really our own personal creation that just happens to match the choices of God anyway). Perhaps our right of final choice ends up being a demand for final choice on our part....and perhaps the reason for conflict between Creator and created stems from the reluctance of the created to give in.
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Phat Member Posts: 18332 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Isa 45:7 I, (almighty Reality), form the light, and create darkness: I, (both Friend and Foe of the living), make peace, and create (the environment for possible great misfortune), evil: I, (both Friend and Foe to life and man), the LORD, (of the living), do all these things, (naturally, through the environmental forces). This seems pantheistic to me....but then again, describing God is not easy.....even though you make Him up, He conforms His reality to our imaginations....
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Phat Member Posts: 18332 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
jar writes: But in my belief there IS one God...and I think you and I differ on our ability as humans to relate to Him/Her/It and whether it is even important to do so. Your beliefs are, in my opinion, more Jewish based than Christian....although you have stated God to be good, you have also declared that She is complete, whereas I differentiate an evil spirit from being in communion with God...I maintain that light and darkness are not one unity regardless who created them
There is no one God found in the Bible rather a whole series as the concept of God evolved and each writer created a new God. The God that is associated with the Flood Myth is an evil critter. The God in the Jonah myth is an entirely different critter.
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Phat Member Posts: 18332 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
yes, and he was human....but we would disagree on whether God (GOD) intended to use him to form communion with humanity or not.....you would ask what this concept even means...I would maintain that we can choose to associate with light or darkness, and that we need Jesus to be alive in order to have the communion...without that concept we are but wandering ants with no hope of communication/communion with God.
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Phat Member Posts: 18332 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
In the context of my belief, God started with you...you didnt start with God. Just sayin...
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Phat Member Posts: 18332 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Stile writes: For believers and unbelievers alike, by trying our best to live out our destiny...our human potential is all we can do. If we believe that we are doing it for humanity, great! If we believe that we are doing it for ourselves, it is our cultural expectation. Which leads us back to the same answer... the only way to judge if God is good is to judge it ourselves. And if we believe, as I do, that it is an inner spark that God gave me and that I give back, the answer is unimportant. The effort itself is everything...it is life!
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Phat Member Posts: 18332 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
I tend to agree with you to an extent, Faith. Crash is a hardcore atheist who claims that he honestly would like to see some evidence of God, yet he has burned every bridge that would carry him there. Perhaps defending critical thinking and intelligence is a good thing culturally, assuming that science in general was never supernaturally deluded.
Jar asks for evidence because his idea of God is that God is beyond human communication and that we were given logic, reason, and reality and a charge to try and do our best. I cant argue with him totally, though I think he wont entertain the idea of communication through prayer, apart from achieving group cohesion. He is convinced that God is beyond us and that Christianity is about doing the right thing without needing the teacher in the room. I wouldn't let either of them get me mad, however. Buz never gave up at EvC. Why should you or I?
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