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Author Topic:   How do "novel" features evolve?
jar
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Message 51 of 314 (659817)
04-18-2012 10:16 PM
Reply to: Message 47 by intellen
04-18-2012 9:38 PM


Re: how populations evolve
Let me give this a try.
There is a population of doggies.
The doggies have puppies.
A few of the puppies are not perfect copies.
Those puppies have webbed feet.
The other puppies think they look funny and call them names.
The environment changes; water levels rise.
The puppies with webbed feet were happy; they played and swam and all hung out together while they laughed at the puppies without webbed feet that couldn't swim real fast all the way from here to there and all the way back again.
The puppies without webbed feet moved to higher ground and they played chase and catch the tail and run around the tree and laughed at the puppies with webbed feet.
Soon there were two different populations, the clean foot puppies and the web foot puppies.
And that is how evolution works.
Edited by jar, : appalin spallin

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 85 of 314 (659909)
04-19-2012 2:41 PM
Reply to: Message 83 by intellen
04-19-2012 1:57 PM


Re: how populations evolve - when is it "novel"?
Did you read Message 51 ?

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jar
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Message 97 of 314 (659948)
04-19-2012 10:06 PM
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04-19-2012 9:53 PM


Re: how populations evolve
Do you understand what you quoted above?
Do you understand how one population can become two different populations; one of clean footed puppies, the other of web footed puppies?

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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jar
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Message 101 of 314 (659952)
04-19-2012 10:20 PM
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04-19-2012 10:11 PM


Re: how populations evolve
Did I mention food in what you quoted?

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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jar
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Message 103 of 314 (659954)
04-19-2012 10:40 PM
Reply to: Message 102 by intellen
04-19-2012 10:31 PM


Re: how populations evolve
Okay, so food is not an issue.
So let's take this nice and slow.
There is a population of doggies.
The doggies have puppies.
A few of the puppies are not perfect copies.
Those puppies have webbed feet.
The other puppies think they look funny and call them names.
The environment changes; water levels rise.
The puppies with webbed feet were happy; they played and swam and all hung out together while they laughed at the puppies without webbed feet that couldn't swim real fast all the way from here to there and all the way back again.
The puppies without webbed feet moved to higher ground and they played chase and catch the tail and run around the tree and laughed at the puppies with webbed feet.
Soon there were two different populations, the clean foot puppies and the web foot puppies.
And that is how evolution works.
Look at the part that says:
quote:
A few of the puppies are not perfect copies.
Those puppies have webbed feet.
The puppies that were born with webbed feet are the result of a mutation.
Are you with me so far?

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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jar
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Message 105 of 314 (659957)
04-19-2012 10:58 PM
Reply to: Message 104 by intellen
04-19-2012 10:54 PM


Slower steps
Let's go slowly.
There is a population of doggies.
Are you with me that far?

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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jar
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Message 140 of 314 (660008)
04-20-2012 9:27 AM
Reply to: Message 114 by intellen
04-19-2012 11:25 PM


Re: Slower steps
So the population of doggies have puppies.
But some of the puppies are not perfect, they have webbed feet.
Are you with me so far?

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 157 of 314 (660133)
04-21-2012 11:53 AM
Reply to: Message 156 by foreveryoung
04-21-2012 11:43 AM


Re: slightly off topic ... but we can redirect
Logic has nothing to do with reality, thank God.
Back in Message 51 I outlined how "novel" features evolve.
Is there anything in Message 51 that you do not understand or where you need further explanation?

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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jar
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Message 168 of 314 (660144)
04-21-2012 12:35 PM
Reply to: Message 159 by foreveryoung
04-21-2012 12:02 PM


Re: slightly off topic ... but we can redirect
You observe it.
Reality is what we can observe and test.
Nonsense like Creationism and Intelligent Design are NOT science, they are fantasy, real fantasy at best, more often simply lies.
And did you read Message 51 where I outlined how "novel" features evolve.
Is there anything in Message 51 that you do not understand or where you need further explanation?

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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jar
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Message 171 of 314 (660148)
04-21-2012 12:47 PM
Reply to: Message 169 by foreveryoung
04-21-2012 12:44 PM


It really is simple
I did.
Did you read Message 51 where I outlined how "novel" features evolve.
Is there anything in Message 51 that you do not understand or where you need further explanation?
Instead of trying to run away by playing word games, or try to draw people down attractive rabbit holes, please address the issues.
Did you read Message 51 where I outlined how "novel" features evolve.
Is there anything in Message 51 that you do not understand or where you need further explanation?

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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jar
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Message 176 of 314 (660153)
04-21-2012 1:04 PM
Reply to: Message 174 by foreveryoung
04-21-2012 12:52 PM


Re: It really is simple
So you have not read that post.
Okay.
Here it is again and I really doubt it will take you two hours to read or require you to go to the library or read a text book (God forbid someone should actually read a text book).
quote:
Let me give this a try.
There is a population of doggies.
The doggies have puppies.
A few of the puppies are not perfect copies.
Those puppies have webbed feet.
The other puppies think they look funny and call them names.
The environment changes; water levels rise.
The puppies with webbed feet were happy; they played and swam and all hung out together while they laughed at the puppies without webbed feet that couldn't swim real fast all the way from here to there and all the way back again.
The puppies without webbed feet moved to higher ground and they played chase and catch the tail and run around the tree and laughed at the puppies with webbed feet.
Soon there were two different populations, the clean foot puppies and the web foot puppies.
And that is how evolution works.
Now, is there anything in that which you feel needs more explanation?

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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jar
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Message 188 of 314 (660166)
04-21-2012 3:08 PM
Reply to: Message 177 by foreveryoung
04-21-2012 1:57 PM


Re: It really is simple
Okay, so you understand what is in that post.
Now you understand how evolution happens and that Creationism or Intelligent design are simply irrelevant.
Is that correct?

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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jar
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Message 229 of 314 (661611)
05-08-2012 5:36 PM
Reply to: Message 228 by zaius137
05-08-2012 5:24 PM


Re: creating "information" is either easy or irrelevant
Premise one has some support.
Premise two may be true but so far Dembeski has not shown the support for it.
Then there is premise three and there all begins to fall apart.
And premise four is simply false.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 309 of 314 (662944)
05-20-2012 9:17 AM


Summary of how "novel" features evolve
There is a population of doggies.
The doggies have puppies.
A few of the puppies are not perfect copies.
Those puppies have webbed feet.
The other puppies think they look funny and call them names.
The environment changes; water levels rise.
The puppies with webbed feet were happy; they played and swam and all hung out together while they laughed at the puppies without webbed feet that couldn't swim real fast all the way from here to there and all the way back again.
The puppies without webbed feet moved to higher ground and they played chase and catch the tail and run around the tree and laughed at the puppies with webbed feet.
Soon there were two different populations, the clean foot puppies and the web foot puppies.
And that is how "novel features" evolve.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

  
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