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Panda Member (Idle past 3713 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: |
zi ko writes:
Yes. But the list of unevidenced fantasy causes is almost infinite in number. There could be anotther responce version:organism-environment interaction provides the needed information for mutations tobe somehow guided. So we try to ignore them - along with fairies, unicorns and flying spaghetti monsters. When they become evidenced: then they are of interest. If I were you And I wish that I were you All the things I'd do To make myself turn blue
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Chuck77 writes:
Maybe an analogy will help: Do any of these kinds transition/evolve into the another? Or do they stay in that kind? Imagine that you were a black Irish American.You would be African because your great great great great grandfather was born in Africa. You would be Irish because your great grandfather was born in Ireland. You would be American because your father was born in America. So - you (as an individual) would always be African, Irish AND American.In the same way an individual dog will always be a mammal, a canine AND a dog. You are not able to change your heritage - e.g. you could not become a black Dutch American.And an individual dog could not change to being a fish instead of a mammal. Over the generations, your great grandchildren could change their nationality though: e.g. their parents could move to Canada.But then they would be black Irish American Canadians. They couldn't alter their heritage. And if, over the generations, 'mammal canine dog' evolved sonar they would not become bats.They would become 'mammal canine dog sonar'. They couldn't alter their heritage. Edited by Panda, : No reason given.Tradition and heritage are all dead people's baggage. Stop carrying it!
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Panda Member (Idle past 3713 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: |
jar writes:
Do not take it for granted that he knows what a population is. There is a population of doggies. Are you with me that far?Ask for proof. Tradition and heritage are all dead people's baggage. Stop carrying it!
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Panda Member (Idle past 3713 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: |
intellen writes: I am talking about natural selection of evolution, not mutation. Why are you talking about mutation? quote: intellen writes:
Yes it is. It is not I that is very confused.Tradition and heritage are all dead people's baggage. Stop carrying it!
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Panda Member (Idle past 3713 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined:
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int writes:
There is no 'switch'. PANDA, I knew since ToE had been claming that. So, we can switch to mutation, right?If you are talking about biological evolution then you are also talking about mutations. int writes:
"changes, aka, adaptation" is evolution. Again, nat selec is only for changes, aka, adaptation, not for origin of new species, aka, evolution of new species.And if there are enough of the changes you also get a new species. quote: quote: quote:You think that Natural Selection is not connected to the evolution of a new species - but that is clearly wrong. You think that Natural Selection and mutation are not connected - but that is also clearly wrong. In summary: you do not understand even the most basic premises of the ToE. Tradition and heritage are all dead people's baggage. Stop carrying it!
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Panda Member (Idle past 3713 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: |
And to add to jar's critique:
zaius137 writes: Premise 5 and 6 are contradictory.
Premise 5: LIFE is not due to regularity.Premise 6: LIFE is due to regularity, chance, or design. zaius137 writes: The conclusion is invalidated just by premise 6. Premise 6: LIFE is due to regularity, chance, or design.Conclusion: LIFE is due to design. At best it would be "Conclusion: some life is due to design." Edited by Panda, : No reason given.Tradition and heritage are all dead people's baggage. Stop carrying it!
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Panda Member (Idle past 3713 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: |
caffeine writes:
Then Premise 6 contradicts ("rules out") Premise 5? A: x is either an even or an odd number.B: x is not an even number. Conclusion: x is an odd number. Premise 6 is stating that the only three possibilities are regularity, chance and design. Premise 5 rules out regularity To say (e.g.) that "This number is either odd or even, but it is not even." seems contradictory to me. Surely it should just be: "This number is odd." or "LIFE is due to chance or design". caffeine writes:
This seems to be common ground between us.
....it's just based on false premises. caffeine writes:
I don't think that 'specificity' has anything to do with 'specifics'. But, if I've understood this correctly, then life is surely not specified. The number of different configurations in which life can arrange itself successfully can be seen by looking at the world, and the staggering number of ways it already does arrange itself. Different animals use a huge variety of different proteins to do similar or identical tasks, for example. What's specified about that?The word was taken away from its linguistic roots and used to lend support to an argument simply because it 'sounded good'. From what I remember, specificity is the (innate?) ability to know something when you see it. How that relates to 'specified events' is not known to me. Edited by Panda, : No reason given.Tradition and heritage are all dead people's baggage. Stop carrying it!
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Panda Member (Idle past 3713 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: |
zaius137 writes:
1 good post is worth 20 crap ones. There is a lot to catch up on here and I hope the other participants understand why I cannot get right to the arguments they present although they are just as challenging. Remember, there is no rush.Even if it takes weeks, there is nothing (other than your own preference) preventing you from answering every post. Forums can run at a slower pace than (e.g.) chat rooms. Tradition and heritage are all dead people's baggage. Stop carrying it!
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