Register | Sign In


Understanding through Discussion


EvC Forum active members: 65 (9162 total)
3 online now:
Newest Member: popoi
Post Volume: Total: 915,817 Year: 3,074/9,624 Month: 919/1,588 Week: 102/223 Day: 0/13 Hour: 0/0


EvC Forum Side Orders Coffee House Creationist Shortage

Summations Only

Thread  Details

Email This Thread
Newer Topic | Older Topic
  
Author Topic:   Creationist Shortage
Percy
Member
Posts: 22392
From: New Hampshire
Joined: 12-23-2000
Member Rating: 5.3


(1)
Message 91 of 415 (662092)
05-12-2012 8:28 AM
Reply to: Message 84 by foreveryoung
05-11-2012 10:55 PM


Evolutionists Behaving Like Jerks
foreveryoung writes:
All of the creationists have gone because most of you act like jerks toward creationists. Why would any of us want to stick around and be treated like that? Most of all, we get tired of reading all of your guys crap.
I have to agree. Too many evolutionists here have little patience with creationists, dismissively descending into denigration and sarcasm at the drop of a hat. We seem to forget that even though we've rebutted a position a hundred times that the new creationist member is often figuring out how to defend it for the first time.
It should be possible to be right without becoming despised in the process.
--Percy

This message is a reply to:
 Message 84 by foreveryoung, posted 05-11-2012 10:55 PM foreveryoung has not replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 92 by Buzsaw, posted 05-12-2012 9:09 AM Percy has replied
 Message 173 by marc9000, posted 07-06-2012 9:22 PM Percy has seen this message but not replied

  
Buzsaw
Inactive Member


Message 92 of 415 (662095)
05-12-2012 9:09 AM
Reply to: Message 91 by Percy
05-12-2012 8:28 AM


Re: Evolutionists Behaving Like Jerks
Percy writes:
We seem to forget that even though we've rebutted a position a hundred times that the new creationist member is often figuring out how to defend it for the first time.
It should be possible to be right without becoming despised in the process.
Like I have said, you tend to tolerate newbies for a spell but mother, censor, dog and harass them by and by until they're gone looking for a more fairly moderated and balanced board.
Your other moderators tend to allow more leeway. Your evolutionist constituency, and if I remember correctly, including some moderators, voted to allow me back in the science fora. Go figure, Percy.
Edited by Buzsaw, : No reason given.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.
Someone wisely said something ;ike, "Before fooling with a fool, make sure the fool is a fool."

This message is a reply to:
 Message 91 by Percy, posted 05-12-2012 8:28 AM Percy has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 94 by Percy, posted 05-12-2012 9:46 AM Buzsaw has not replied
 Message 95 by Tangle, posted 05-12-2012 10:11 AM Buzsaw has not replied
 Message 97 by fearandloathing, posted 05-12-2012 11:17 AM Buzsaw has not replied

  
crashfrog
Member (Idle past 1467 days)
Posts: 19762
From: Silver Spring, MD
Joined: 03-20-2003


(1)
Message 93 of 415 (662097)
05-12-2012 9:37 AM
Reply to: Message 90 by Buzsaw
05-12-2012 7:49 AM


Re: Where Have Creationists Gone?
A comparison would be a Modle T Ford to a modern Alexis, etc.
Quoted as illustrative of my point - your remarks never provide any indication that you know what you're talking about. (The Ford you're referring to is the Model T, and the brand of Japanese luxury cars you're thinking of is Lexus.)
I'm sure you feel like these corrections are nit-picking, but the problem is that you can't be relied upon to get it right even when it does matter.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 90 by Buzsaw, posted 05-12-2012 7:49 AM Buzsaw has not replied

  
Percy
Member
Posts: 22392
From: New Hampshire
Joined: 12-23-2000
Member Rating: 5.3


(4)
Message 94 of 415 (662099)
05-12-2012 9:46 AM
Reply to: Message 92 by Buzsaw
05-12-2012 9:09 AM


Re: Evolutionists Behaving Like Jerks
Buzsaw writes:
Your other moderators tend to allow more leeway. Your evolutionist constituency, and if I remember correctly, including some moderators, voted to allow me back in the science fora. Go figure, Percy.
This thread isn't about you. Figuring out how to stop yourself from turning every thread into a discussion about you is one of the prerequisites before a return to the science forums could be considered.
--Percy

This message is a reply to:
 Message 92 by Buzsaw, posted 05-12-2012 9:09 AM Buzsaw has not replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 99 by NoNukes, posted 05-12-2012 12:14 PM Percy has seen this message but not replied
 Message 174 by marc9000, posted 07-06-2012 9:25 PM Percy has seen this message but not replied

  
Tangle
Member
Posts: 9489
From: UK
Joined: 10-07-2011
Member Rating: 4.9


(4)
Message 95 of 415 (662101)
05-12-2012 10:11 AM
Reply to: Message 92 by Buzsaw
05-12-2012 9:09 AM


Re: Evolutionists Behaving Like Jerks
buzsaw writes:
Like I have said, you tend to tolerate newbies for a spell but mother, censor, dog and harass them by and by until they're gone looking for a more fairly moderated and balanced board.
Your other moderators tend to allow more leeway. Your evolutionist constituency, and if I remember correctly, including some moderators, voted to allow me back in the science fora. Go figure, Percy.
I don't believe there are any better moderated discussion boards Buz - despite your protests, this is an exceptionally fair place to be. When I attempted to discuss these subjects on a creationists site I was banned without warning within 48 hours.
If you keep to the rules and follow advice, you can discuss what you like here - what's your problem with that?

Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android

This message is a reply to:
 Message 92 by Buzsaw, posted 05-12-2012 9:09 AM Buzsaw has not replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 96 by Panda, posted 05-12-2012 10:26 AM Tangle has not replied

  
Panda
Member (Idle past 3713 days)
Posts: 2688
From: UK
Joined: 10-04-2010


Message 96 of 415 (662103)
05-12-2012 10:26 AM
Reply to: Message 95 by Tangle
05-12-2012 10:11 AM


Re: Evolutionists Behaving Like Jerks
Tangle writes:
I don't believe there are any better moderated discussion boards...
/agree
Tangle writes:
If you keep to the rules and follow advice...
And even if you don't, you get suspended many times before being perma-banned.

Tradition and heritage are all dead people's baggage. Stop carrying it!

This message is a reply to:
 Message 95 by Tangle, posted 05-12-2012 10:11 AM Tangle has not replied

  
fearandloathing
Member (Idle past 4145 days)
Posts: 990
From: Burlington, NC, USA
Joined: 02-24-2011


(1)
Message 97 of 415 (662107)
05-12-2012 11:17 AM
Reply to: Message 92 by Buzsaw
05-12-2012 9:09 AM


Re: Evolutionists Behaving Like Jerks
If you look at our newest member and his behavior so far, I think you will agree he has been given a more than fair chance to explain his actions and correct other aspects of his posts.
I probably wouldn't be so understanding, of course my first interactions with him were not exactly positive so I am a bit biased.
It is not hard to follow the rules and participate here, although it is hard to debate with some people who clearly are much smarter than I am, but I do enjoy learning, and being wrong is a great way to learn.
Edited by fearandloathing, : No reason given.

"No sympathy for the devil; keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride...and if it occasionally gets a little heavier than what you had in mind, well...maybe chalk it off to forced conscious expansion: Tune in, freak out, get beaten."
Hunter S. Thompson
Ad astra per aspera
Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 92 by Buzsaw, posted 05-12-2012 9:09 AM Buzsaw has not replied

  
frako
Member (Idle past 306 days)
Posts: 2932
From: slovenija
Joined: 09-04-2010


Message 98 of 415 (662109)
05-12-2012 12:11 PM
Reply to: Message 90 by Buzsaw
05-12-2012 7:49 AM


Re: Where Have Creationists Gone?
e to our end times
Well probably because the bible is wrong and there are no end times in sight yet.
"If you cross the river, a great empire will be destroyed.
Was a grate empire destroyed or not when he crossed the river or not??
She allegedly also proclaimed Socrates to be the wisest man in Greece,
so your saying that the man who basicly is the father of philosophy was not the wisest man at that time in Greece?
And the last bit did the oracles prophecy of defending themselves with wooden walls not save Athens?

Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand
Click if you dare!

This message is a reply to:
 Message 90 by Buzsaw, posted 05-12-2012 7:49 AM Buzsaw has not replied

  
NoNukes
Inactive Member


(1)
Message 99 of 415 (662110)
05-12-2012 12:14 PM
Reply to: Message 94 by Percy
05-12-2012 9:46 AM


Re: Evolutionists Behaving Like Jerks
Figuring out how to stop yourself from turning every thread into a discussion about you is one of the prerequisites before a return to the science forums could be considered.
I understand why you insist on this path, but I think you are requiring an impossibly high standard that is essentially a permanent ban. To a very great extent, your requirement makes Buzsaw responsible for the reactions of the rest of the participants.
Independent of Buzsaw's understanding of evidence, the man has other issues (belief in his own infalliability, inability to consider, let alone understand opposing view points, tendency to consider every half baked source that agrees with him as accurate, complete refusal to do any self-examination, complete disrespect for any science he does not understand, etc.) that cause others to drag Buzsaw himself into every thread in which he posts.
And the problem is not unique to Buzsaw. Threads in which shadow71, Dawn Bertot, Chuck77, et alia appear in frequently turn into threads about them rather than the position they advocate, and with good reason. For the most part, all of them are incapable of properly engaging in a debate that includes scientific evidence, and their substitute tactics for participating produce way more heat than light.
I would recommend taking smaller steps with Buzsaw. Give him a more attainable hurdle o meet and allow him some limited participation in the science forum. Or encourage to participate in a scientific debate in the Great Debate forum while ignoring completely the inevitable peanut gallery comments.
Just one man's opinion.
Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal and hasten the resurrection of the dead. William Lloyd Garrison

This message is a reply to:
 Message 94 by Percy, posted 05-12-2012 9:46 AM Percy has seen this message but not replied

  
frako
Member (Idle past 306 days)
Posts: 2932
From: slovenija
Joined: 09-04-2010


Message 100 of 415 (662111)
05-12-2012 12:27 PM


I think we should show the creationist a bit more leniency in the science formus after all we have facts to back us up they dont
So fi for example a creationist posts a claim that the earth is 6000 years old and has no evidence but the bible to back it up let him post that then let him read detailed information of numerous dating techniques that prove him wrong and none that prove him right.
Or if they copy and paste some creationists work from the 18hundreds let them do it, then let them watch it being torn apart piece by piece by facts and evidence.

Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand
Click if you dare!

Replies to this message:
 Message 104 by Buzsaw, posted 05-12-2012 5:14 PM frako has replied

  
shadow71
Member (Idle past 2934 days)
Posts: 706
From: Joliet, il, USA
Joined: 08-31-2010


(1)
Message 101 of 415 (662118)
05-12-2012 1:34 PM
Reply to: Message 89 by Granny Magda
05-12-2012 7:05 AM


Re: CRISPRs redux
Granny Magda writes:
If you understand the subject then fine, go ahead and talk about it. If you understand what the scientists are saying, then go ahead and quote them. But the reality is that you don't understand the topics you bring up. Then you try to debate them with people who do understand those topics. This is a waste of time.
When I posted about James A. Shapiro's theory of Natural Genetic Engineering and gave my view of his theory I was told I did not unerstand his theory. Subsequently I discussed this with Shapiro and he told me I had a good understanding of his theory. I posted his reply to me on this board (with his permission) and I was again told by many on the board I had no idea what Shapiro was talking about.
How can I rely to something like that?
That's why I have stopped posting in the evolution threads.
Edited by shadow71, : No reason given.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 89 by Granny Magda, posted 05-12-2012 7:05 AM Granny Magda has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 106 by Granny Magda, posted 05-12-2012 6:01 PM shadow71 has replied
 Message 107 by NoNukes, posted 05-12-2012 7:44 PM shadow71 has seen this message but not replied

  
shadow71
Member (Idle past 2934 days)
Posts: 706
From: Joliet, il, USA
Joined: 08-31-2010


Message 102 of 415 (662119)
05-12-2012 1:38 PM
Reply to: Message 88 by DWIII
05-12-2012 2:25 AM


Re: CRISPRs redux
DWIII writes:
How sad for you, since juries seldom argue back.
Juries always argue back and always have the last word.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 88 by DWIII, posted 05-12-2012 2:25 AM DWIII has not replied

  
nwr
Member
Posts: 6408
From: Geneva, Illinois
Joined: 08-08-2005
Member Rating: 5.1


(2)
Message 103 of 415 (662124)
05-12-2012 2:34 PM
Reply to: Message 84 by foreveryoung
05-11-2012 10:55 PM


foreveryoung writes:
All of the creationists have gone because most of you act like jerks toward creationists. Why would any of us want to stick around and be treated like that?
Yes, there is some validity to that complaint.
When you, or another creationist, raises a point, that should be answered. But we should try to avoid the piling on that so often occurs.
I am trying to follow the practice of not posting unless I have something worth saying that has not already been expressed by others. That reduces my posting rate, but I hope it makes it a little easier on the creationists to who are presenting and arguing their positions.
Edited by nwr, : fix typos

Jesus was a liberal hippie

This message is a reply to:
 Message 84 by foreveryoung, posted 05-11-2012 10:55 PM foreveryoung has not replied

  
Buzsaw
Inactive Member


Message 104 of 415 (662132)
05-12-2012 5:14 PM
Reply to: Message 100 by frako
05-12-2012 12:27 PM


Re: YEC: Say What?
frako writes:
So fi for example a creationist posts a claim that the earth is 6000 years old and has no evidence but the bible to back it up let him post that then let him read detailed information of numerous dating techniques that prove him wrong and none that prove him right.
This is another example of why creationists are ill treated here. We all get painted with the same broad brush. A significant percentage of us are not YEC 6000-ers. Many YECs like Kent Hoven even call for a young Universe. That's nonsense, though he has some valid evidence and arguments for many aspects of ID and creationism. I don't through out the baby with the bathwater as some critics of Hovind do. ,
I've been here over 8 years and I still get lumped by you people in with the YECs who's paradigm makes no sense. Nor is it Biblical. Nor does it satisfy the 1st law of thermodynamics
Have you ever bothered to read my long time on-going message signature? The Buzsaw unique creationist paradigm factors an infinite Universe. Jehovah, god who exists in the cosmos/heavens, is eternal; thus an eternal Universe and thus an infinite stable amount of energy as per LoT1. No energy is created or destroyed infinitely. As per science, it only changes forms.
My paradigm essentially trumps the non-scientific BB Theory which implies a finite Universe. (See my message signature). .

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.
Someone wisely said something ;ike, "Before fooling with a fool, make sure the fool is a fool."

This message is a reply to:
 Message 100 by frako, posted 05-12-2012 12:27 PM frako has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 105 by frako, posted 05-12-2012 5:44 PM Buzsaw has not replied
 Message 124 by Meddle, posted 05-13-2012 11:39 AM Buzsaw has not replied
 Message 128 by NoNukes, posted 05-13-2012 6:13 PM Buzsaw has not replied
 Message 129 by ringo, posted 05-13-2012 6:35 PM Buzsaw has replied

  
frako
Member (Idle past 306 days)
Posts: 2932
From: slovenija
Joined: 09-04-2010


Message 105 of 415 (662135)
05-12-2012 5:44 PM
Reply to: Message 104 by Buzsaw
05-12-2012 5:14 PM


Re: YEC: Say What?
This is another example of why creationists are ill treated here. We all get painted with the same broad brush. A significant percentage of us are not YEC 6000-ers. Many YECs like Kent Hoven even call for a young Universe. That's nonsense, though he has some valid evidence and arguments for many aspects of ID and creationism. I don't through out the baby with the bathwater as some critics of Hovind do. ,
It was just an example sorry i offended you, but common the 6000 old earth is not the silliest thing creationists claim.
Have you ever bothered to read my long time on-going message signature? The Buzsaw unique creationist paradigm factors an infinite Universe. Jehovah, god who exists in the cosmos/heavens, is eternal; thus an eternal Universe and thus an infinite stable amount of energy as per LoT1. No energy is created or destroyed infinitely. As per science, it only changes forms.
My paradigm essentially trumps the non-scientific BB Theory which implies a finite Universe. (See my message signature). .
Yes and the observable fact that everything you push moves faster so Einstein was clearly wrong about the whole speed of light limit because its so simple when an object is travelling at the speed of light you just push it and vuala it travels faster then the speed of light, by by relativity.
Big Bang Theory for Kids

Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand
Click if you dare!

This message is a reply to:
 Message 104 by Buzsaw, posted 05-12-2012 5:14 PM Buzsaw has not replied

  
Newer Topic | Older Topic
Jump to:


Copyright 2001-2023 by EvC Forum, All Rights Reserved

™ Version 4.2
Innovative software from Qwixotic © 2024