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Message 16 of 28 (662042)
05-11-2012 6:45 PM
Reply to: Message 15 by ScottyDouglas
05-11-2012 6:41 PM


Re: What is science?
What argument?

When it comes to the fact that evolution happened and that the Theory of Evolution is the ONLY model that explains what is seen, that the Universe is at least 14 Billion Years old and the Earth is at least 4.5 Billion years old there simply is no argument.


Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 17 of 28 (662044)
05-11-2012 6:46 PM
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05-11-2012 6:27 PM


I do and I know many others as well that feel spiritual.That is beyond physical means.And just because you can not hold it, touch it, or see it, or have not exsperinced it, mean it does not apply to this topic.

I have a dragon in my garage you cant see him, you cant measure him in any way it does not emit anything, it is perfectly silent, you cant touch him. Do you think the dragon in my garage is real?

Would you put people you know that are not involved in this discussion in a online forum.Because it is not just to put peoples names inside forums without thier consent.

In other words you cant name any or something like this video is what you have in mind.

My point and this one could as well.

Well maby one day it will and be replaced with a new one maby it wont just wishing Evolution is wrong is not enough to accept it you have to PROVE it wrong.

You havent proved that the earth isnt older than 10,000 years and to say you have lives inside fantasy.

Every dating method we have says the earth is way older then 10 00 years, dating methods that work on totally different principles but agree on dates i wonder why? And no dating method agrees with the age of the earth being 10 000 or less i wonder why?

You must have a eye witness

So if there is no eye witness then any criminal goes free? Eye wtinesses are not reliable, we are not a camera that records and saves everything the way it happened, we mush it all up and get half wrong.

Andwe do have eye witnesses of sorts the kind that do not lie called evidence physical measurable testable observable evidence.

If dating techniques were on trial in a court room and all evidence brought forth you would have a hard time convincing a jury without a reasonable doubt that you are right.

Ever heard about the Dover Trial ??

Again to early to say this one will not be disproved.

Well it lasted 150 years and every piece of evidence we find corroborates the theory and none go against it, so i seriously doubt it.

P.s. when you reply at the top right you have a button peek mode it shows you how to use quotes.


Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand

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Message 18 of 28 (662050)
05-11-2012 7:07 PM
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05-11-2012 5:01 PM


Seems a lot of your info comes from here, almost word for word???

http://aleph0.clarku.edu/huxley/comm/Argyll/falsely.html


"No sympathy for the devil; keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride...and if it occasionally gets a little heavier than what you had in mind, well...maybe chalk it off to forced conscious expansion: Tune in, freak out, get beaten."
— Hunter S. Thompson

Ad astra per aspera

Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione.


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Message 19 of 28 (662052)
05-11-2012 7:14 PM
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05-11-2012 7:07 PM


A Reply The Nineteenth Century May 1887

Well you kind of have to live in 1887 to not believe in evolution.


Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand

Click if you dare!


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Message 20 of 28 (662053)
05-11-2012 7:27 PM
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05-11-2012 7:14 PM


I copy and search any of the OP and come back to the same document?? What am I supposed to believe???

"No sympathy for the devil; keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride...and if it occasionally gets a little heavier than what you had in mind, well...maybe chalk it off to forced conscious expansion: Tune in, freak out, get beaten."
— Hunter S. Thompson

Ad astra per aspera

Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione.


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Message 21 of 28 (662058)
05-11-2012 8:22 PM
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05-11-2012 7:07 PM


This is one of the strangest things I've seen a creationist do, and I've seen them do a lot of strange things.

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Message 22 of 28 (662059)
05-11-2012 8:29 PM
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05-11-2012 8:22 PM


This is one of the strangest things I've seen a creationist do

LOL, I know you jest.

I wasn't going to say anyting at first, didn't wan't to seem like a paranoid nut job.... but some of SDs OP just didn't seem like his own words so I googled a bit...I could still be wrong but if so I will apologize and suck it up, wouldn't be the first time...or the last.

Edited by fearandloathing, : No reason given.

Edited by fearandloathing, : No reason given.


"No sympathy for the devil; keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride...and if it occasionally gets a little heavier than what you had in mind, well...maybe chalk it off to forced conscious expansion: Tune in, freak out, get beaten."
— Hunter S. Thompson

Ad astra per aspera

Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione.


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Message 23 of 28 (662060)
05-11-2012 8:30 PM
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05-11-2012 6:41 PM


Re: What is science?
Dear Mr. Scotty Douglas,

I'm sending this back to the Proposed New Topics forum so you can explain why your opening post seems to be a modestly modified version of http://aleph0.clarku.edu/huxley/comm/Argyll/falsely.html.


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Message 25 of 28 (662074)
05-12-2012 4:04 AM
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Re: What is science?
This tpoic I started and the breif summary i posted was a little portion of the mass study and search I have undertaking to disprove evolution as presented.I will give reasons here why and how!1)eons of evidence of giant men and animals-against evolution story and theory.2)eons of evidence of young earth and flood.3)Fossil records show creationism is possible and it actually indicates it.4)Many instances of super natural activity throught the world and all the people who claim.And finally 5)Life is to complex to be randomness.Ok another 6)Failable dating techniques.Ok just one more 7)To actually have any fossils they must have been preseved and deposited quickly and dafely to servive.If it was by casthophe.one more many recorded claims of scientist who disagree with evolution or talk about overlooked errors and evidence.
Ill be posting this here soon!thanks!for now do a excercise for yourself.check all these places and books to confirm giants.
The History of Marion County, Ohio
(complied from past accounts, published in 1883)

The History of Brown County, Ohio
(complied from past accounts, published in 1883)

Now and Long Ago-A History of the Marion County Area
by Glen Lough (1969)
(This citation on West Virginia courtesy Dave Cain.)

collected by James Mooney (1861-1921), tells of the visit of very tall people from the west:

James Wafford, of the western Cherokee, who was born in Georgia in 1806, says that his grandmother, who must have
been born about the middle of the last century, told him that she had heard from the old people that long before her time a
party of giants had once come to visit the Cherokee. They were nearly twice as tall as common men, and had their eyes
set slanting in their heads, so that the Cherokee called them Tsunil´ kalu´, "the Slant-eyed people," because they
looked like the giant hunter Tsul´ kalu´. They said that these giants lived far away in the direction in which the sun
goes down. The Cherokee received them as friends, and they stayed some time, and then returned to their home in the
west...

Historical Encyclopedia of Illinois and History of Lake County
Edited by Newton Bateman, LL.D. and Paul Selby, A.M. (1902)

Historical Collections of Ohio in Two Volumes
by Henry Howe, LL.D. (1888)

The Firelands Pioneer (1858)

Henry Schoolcraft (1793-1864):The Indian has a low, bushy brow, beneath which a dull, sleepy, half-closed eye seems to mark the ferocious passions
that are dormant within. The acute angles of the eyes seldom present the obliquity so common in the Malays and the
Mongolians. The color of the eye is almost uniformly a tint between black and grey; but even in young persons it seldom
has the brightness, or expresses the vivacity, so common in the more civilized races.

Bureau of Indian Affairs (1852)

Reports of Smithsonians Power and Thomas

12th Annual Report of the Bureau of Ethnology to the Secretary of the Smithsonian Institution 1890-1891 (published in
1894)
(Cyrus Thomas' investigations of Etowah)

Plat of the Etowah Group, Bartow County, Georgia.
Grave A (found in the largest mound of the group) contained a seven-foot skeleton having a heavy frame.

12th Annual Report of the Bureau of Ethnology to the Secretary of the Smithsonian Institution 1890-1891 (published in
1894)
(explorations in the Tennessee District)

12th Annual Report of the Bureau of Ethnology to the Secretary of the Smithsonian Institution 1890-1891 (published in
1894)
(explorations in Roane County, Tennessee)

12th Annual Report of the Bureau of Ethnology to the Secretary of the Smithsonian Institution 1890-1891 (published in
1894)
(mounds at Dunleith, Illinois)

Mound Group, Dunleith, Illinois.
"Near the original surface, 10 or 12 feet from the center, on the lower side, lying at full length on its back, was one of the
largest skeletons discovered by the Bureau agents, the length as proved by actual measurement being between 7 and 8
feet."

The Adair County News
January 5, 1897
(Kentucky)

12th Annual Report of the Bureau of Ethnology to the Secretary of the Smithsonian Institution 1890-1891 (published in
1894)
(Pike County, Illinois)

12th Annual Report of the Bureau of Ethnology to the Secretary of the Smithsonian Institution 1890-1891 (published in
1894)
(Kanawha County, West Virginia)

Spring Hill Inclosure, Kanawha County, West Virginia.
In the bottom of Mound 11 (upper left) was found a skeleton "fully seven feet long."

12th Annual Report of the Bureau of Ethnology to the Secretary of the Smithsonian Institution 1890-1891 (published in
1894)
(Kanawha County, West Virginia)

A Section of the Great Smith Mound, Kanawha County, West Virginia.
This cone-shaped mound rose 35 feet high and measured 175 feet in diameter at its base. The interior of the mound
contained a vault made of timber measuring 12 feet by 13 feet. It was positioned within the mound 20 feet above surface
level.

12th Annual Report of the Bureau of Ethnology to the Secretary of the Smithsonian Institution 1890-1891 (published in
1894)
(Union County, Mississippi)

Group of mounds in Union County,
Mississippi.

A large Indian mound near the town of Gastersville, [Gastonville?—Ed.] Pa., has recently been opened and examined by
a committee of scientists sent out from the Smithsonian Institute. At some depth from the surface a kind of vault was
found in which was discovered the skeleton of a giant measuring seven feet two inches. His hair was coarse and jet black,
and hung to the waist, the brow being ornamented with a copper crown. The skeleton was remarkably well preserved...On
the stones which covered the vault were carved inscriptions, and these when deciphered, will doubtless lift the veil that
now shrouds the history of the race of people that at one time inhabited this part of the American continent. The relics
have been carefully packed and forwarded to the Smithsonian Institute, and they are said to be the most interesting
collection ever found in the United States.

American Antiquarian, 7:52, 1885

The question has been raised asking whether there was giant stature among the Native American people in earlier historic
times. From Hardesty's History of Monroe County, Ohio, we discovered this:

He further told me of the killing of a big Indian at Buckchitawa, about the time of the settlement at Marietta. The Indians
had a white prisoner whom they forced to decoy boats to the shore. A small boat was descending the river containing
white people, when this prisoner was placed under the bank to tell those in the boat that he had escaped captivity, and to
come to the shore and take him in. The Indians were concealed, but the big Indian stuck his head out from behind a large
tree, when it was pierced by a bullet from the gun of the steersman of the boat. The Indians cried out Wetzel, Wetzel, and
fled. This was the last ever seen of the prisoner. The Indians returned next day and buried the big Indian, who, he said,
was twenty inches taller than he was, and he was a tall man. When Chester Bishop was digging a cellar for Asahel Booth,
at Clarington, many years ago, he came across a skeleton, the bones of which were removed carefully by Dr. Richard
Kirkpatrick, and from his measurement the height of the man when living would have been 8 feet and 5 inches. It is
probable that these were the bones of the big Indian of whom the Indian at Jackson's told me.

The Mound at Marietta Drawn by Henry Howe in 1846.
Howe stated this mound was "of a magnitude and height which strike the beholder with astonishment." It's base had a
diameter of 115 feet; it's height reached up 30 feet. It was surrounded by a ditch four feet deep and fifteen feet wide.

And again this:

A large quantity of human bones was discovered in a fissure in the limestone near the United States Coast Guard
lighthouse. A crude tomb of black stone slabs, of a formation not known on the island, was found many years ago beneath
the roots of a huge stump. Eight skeletons were found, one measuring over seven feet in height.

Sketches and Stories of the Lake Erie Islands
by Theresa Thorndale, Sandusky (1898)

American Indian Myths and Mysteries
Vincent H. Gaddis (1977)

Another grotesque twist is the Army Medical Museum's collection. According to the ABC News special "Skeletons in
the Closet," the United States government acquired a real interest in Indian corpses. The Surgeon General, in post-Civil
War 1868, requested that the army collect the skulls, utensils, and weaponry of Native Americans "as far as you are able
to procure them." According to the report, these were to be sent to Washington, D.C. as part of a program that studied
the effects of modern bullets and other weaponry on human bodies. The collection of such remains, estimated at 4,000,
was taken mostly from grave and battle sites. What was left over became part of the Smithsonian collection estimated at
18,000 individuals, and this by way of the Army Medical Museum.

"The Army Medical Museum in Washington" by Louis Bagger
Appletons' Journal: A Magazine Of General Literature
Volume 9, Issue 206 (1873)
the journal of christopher columbus, by c.r. markham(london, 1893)
By M.Innes (London, 1955) The terrible bodies of the giants lay crushed beneath thier own massive structures.


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Message 26 of 28 (662084)
05-12-2012 7:59 AM
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05-12-2012 4:04 AM


Re: What is science?
Hi Scotty,

You're ignoring the issue, and it's a serious one. You attempted to pass someone else's words off as your own.

Now you're violating another of the Forum Guidelines by posting messages comprised mainly of cut-n-pastes. Please make your arguments in your own words, if any cut-n-pastes are necessary keep them short, and provide links to your sources if they're on-line, citations if they're not.

If you do use cut-n-pastes, again, keep them short, and if they contain extraneous carriage-returns then please remove them. The extra carriage-returns make these excerpts very difficult to read.

Do not spam the site by posting the same material in more than one thread, as you have just done by posting the portion about giants here and over at Message 130.

Please use spaces after punctuation, and it would also help if you started using spell check.

Do you understand and agree to everything I have said? Please acknowledge.


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Re: What is science?
Absolutely.Thank you!

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Re: What is science?
ScottyDouglas writes:

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Please use spaces after punctuation...

Absolutely.Thank you!


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