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LoL. If you think the alleged prophets of Dephi or anything supporting the existence of a Greek god is supported by evidence, you haven't a clue as to the mountains of evidence pertaining to the Biblical record and how scanty little there is to the Greek gods in comparison.

LOL. Nothing whatsoever pertaining to our times as is with the Biblical record, such as the 2nd advent of the nation of Israel after 19 centuries of dispersion, etc. For that matter nothing near as imerically substantiated as the Biblical record.

The Delphi Oracles ,as I alleged were no-where near as imperical or relative to our end times as the mountains of imperical Biblical prophesies. A comparison would be a Modle T Ford to a modern Alexis, etc. Many of the Delphi prophecies failed. Not so with those of the Bible, though the likes of Jar, et al fail to acknowledge any of them. To do so would make them, you, et al accountable to a higer power, i.e. the Biblical existing creator-god, Jehovah.

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Croesus, king of Lydia beginning in 560 B.C., tested the oracles of the world to discover which gave the most accurate prophecies. He sent out emissaries to seven sites who were all to ask the oracles on the same day what the king was doing at that very moment. Croesus proclaimed the oracle at Delphi to be the most accurate, who correctly reported that the king was making a lamb-and-tortoise stew, and so he graced her with a magnitude of precious gifts.[8] He then consulted Delphi before attacking Persia, and according to Herodotus was advised, "If you cross the river, a great empire will be destroyed." Believing the response favorable, Croesus attacked, but it was his own empire that ultimately was destroyed by the Persians.

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She allegedly also proclaimed Socrates to be the wisest man in Greece, to which Socrates said that, if so, this was because he alone was aware of his own ignorance. After this confrontation, Socrates dedicated his life to a search for knowledge that was one of the founding events of western philosophy. He claimed that she was "an essential guide to personal and state development."[9] This Oracle's last recorded response was given in 393 AD, when the emperor Theodosius I ordered pagan temples to cease operation.[citation needed]

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The oracle's powers were highly sought after and never doubted. Any inconsistencies between prophecies and events were dismissed as failure to correctly interpret the responses, not an error of the oracle.[10] Very often prophecies were worded ambiguously, so as to cover all contingencies - especially so ex post facto. One famous such response to a query about participation in a military campaign was "You will go you will return never in war will you perish". This gives the recipient liberty to place a comma before or after the word "never", thus covering both possible outcomes. Another was the response to the Athenians when the vast army of king Xerxes I was approaching Athens with the intent of razing the city to the ground. "Only the wooden palisades may save you"[citation needed], answered the oracle, probably aware that there was sentiment for sailing to the safety of southern Italy and reestablishing Athens there. Some thought that it was a recommendation to fortify the Acropolis with a wooden fence and make a stand there. Others, Themistocles among them, said the oracle was clearly for fighting at sea, the metaphor intended to mean war ships. Others still insisted that their case was so hopeless that they should board every ship available and flee to Italy, where they would be safe beyond any doubt. In the event, variations of all three interpretations were attempted: some barricaded the Acropolis, the civilian population was evacuated over sea to nearby Salamis Island and to Troizen, and the war fleet fought victoriously at Salamis Bay. Should utter destruction have happened, it could always be claimed that the oracle had called for fleeing to Italy after all.

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Like I have said, you tend to tolerate newbies for a spell but mother, censor, dog and harass them by and by until they're gone looking for a more fairly moderated and balanced board.Your other moderators tend to allow more leeway. Your evolutionist constituency, and if I remember correctly, including some moderators, voted to allow me back in the science fora. Go figure, Percy. Edited by Buzsaw, : No reason given.

This is another example of why creationists are ill treated here. We all get painted with the same broad brush. A significant percentage of us are not YEC 6000-ers. Many YECs like Kent Hoven even call for a young Universe. That's nonsense, though he has some valid evidence and arguments for many aspects of ID and creationism. I don't through out the baby with the bathwater as some critics of Hovind do. ,I've been here over 8 years and I still get lumped by you people in with the YECs who's paradigm makes no sense. Nor is it Biblical. Nor does it satisfy the 1st law of thermodynamicsHave you ever bothered to read my long time on-going message signature? The Buzsaw unique creationist paradigm factors an infinite Universe. Jehovah, god who exists in the cosmos/heavens, is eternal; thus an eternal Universe and thus an infinite stable amount of energy as per LoT1. No energy is created or destroyed infinitely. As per science, it only changes forms.My paradigm essentially trumps the non-scientific BB Theory which implies a finite Universe. (See my message signature). .

At least we have enough smarts to know that utter chaos just doesn't emerge naturally into unimaginable order and complexity in every aspect of nature from the submicroscopic world to the yet unknown extent of forces and bodies in the cosmos.There is nothing visibly observable in our environs that, through random and natural means progresses from chaos into order.At least our physically observable Biblical predictions were predicted milleniums previous to the fulfillments rather than predictions concocted up pertaining what is perceived to have happened the past millions and billions of years, defying the common meaning and usage of the term predict.We creationists have enough smarts to understand history as that as being something historically verifiable and falsifiable through archeology, research and written records, etc. .we creationists have enough smarts to know that the physically unobservable billions and millions of years past were not necessarily uniform.The Buzsaw paradigm calls for an infinite energy, infinite forces and infinite gravity, etc, not assuming uniformity, whereas the BB/evolutionist theories implies that our wonderfully complex and orderly physically observable Universe expanded from a hot submicroscopic zero time and space singularity event, having no space into which to have existed, no time in which it could have happend and no outside of which to expand into.So pray tell, Tangle, who is it that believes the delusional stuff? You scholastically brainwashed sheeple or the objective ole man, Buzsaw.

This non-response shows that you've run out of gas, Tangle; that the ole creationist man has out-debated you, as was the case years ago with EvC's first Great Debate when evolutionist Jar, who bragged he'd put me away in a couple of messages, ran out of gas at the beginning of page two of that notorious EvC event.The judging of the event never happened as was to be the case because the appointed evolutionist judges knew Jar lost. That, BTW, was a debate on science.Not long after that was this creationist's first of two permanent bannings by Percy/Admin, preceeded by no suspensions. Go figure where the creationists have gone. They're too thin skinned to take the heat that creationists get sooner or later here at this site. Edited by Buzsaw, : noted by color

Not at all. The problem is that you, et al, reject any science supportive to to ID Biblical creationism and the existence of a higher intelligence existing in the Universe than what is common to humans,You reject the supernatural realm, including a majestic supreme creator/manager god, angels, both good and evil and all other hosts inhabiting the cosmos, even though scientific evidence has been aired supportive to higher powers. One example being fulfilled predictions of events subsequent to those predictions. Another example, archeological discoveries; another, cultural and historical evidence, such as the phenomena of all cultures of human history being religious.Mysterious objects, such as particles, etc are good to go with you, but narry a thing implicating other forms of life.

Buzsaw is not one who argues on scripture alone. Nearly all of you would never admit to one cited scientific evidence that I've ever cited, regardless of how imperical that evidence happens to be.The "buzsaw of trouble" is censorship, unwarranted bannings, evolutionist bigotry, meanspirited responses from antagonists, bully pulpit unbalanced moderation and personal attack by respondents. By the same token, the fiesty and effective ole creationist debater is not allowed to engage because the bully in the pulpit, et al. are not up to exposing their oxen to the gorings that they would be exposed to on behalf of Biblical (I say "Biblical") creationism in the science threads.

Coragyps, your false and demeaning message above demonstrates the reason for creationist shortage here at EvC.First off, not all of us believe that prayer and medicine are silver bullets to cures. Healthful habits and diets trump both of these,As per topic, the above type creationists are not what EvC needs or wants.That's not the problem with EvC's shortage of effective creationists. EvC's greatest, i say greatest problem is how they are treated when posting messages of substance, compared to the treatment of evolutionists.Too often, counterpart respondents resort to personal attack, demeaning remarks and unkindness in general.Admin, too often, attends to them, moreso than he does to evolutionists, sometimes in an unpleasant or unkind manner. More is required of them, especially effective ones, than to evolutionists.Perhaps I'm being too blunt but that's how I see it.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

If you believe the evolution nonsense, of course you're an evolutionist.If you claim to believe in the god of the Bible, yet have the notion that this god's holy book is full of lies and falsehoods, your belief is still nonsensical. What true god would inspire a manual full of falsehoods for it's intelligent created beings to live by?

How does this all relate to the thread topic pertaining to EvC's creationist shortage? Perhaps it pertains to how many evolutionists and non-biblical so called creationist members hypocriticly treat Biblical, (I say Biblical) creationists. You evolutionists claim the best from both POVs, so as to allow yourselves the advtage over the bonafide Bible believing creationsts.We who hold to the accuracy of the Genesis record and other miraculous allegements in the Bible are not afforded that advantage. We could in no way believe the Genesis record and claim to believe evolution nonsense.

No conspiracy, CS. I'm just airing some reasons why EvC is short of creationists.

Sure, Jar. Over the years I've cited pages of observable evidence pertaing to history, fulfilled biblical prophecy, archeological discoveries etc, whereas you schooled members have produced no observable evidence for the alleged zero singularity, the BB, alleged biogenesis or early life following it.

Why should I repetitivly repete evidence that you all reject, not willing to admit to one Biblical miracle?Go figure why creationists regard this site as an adventure into futility?