Did Dinosaurs live with man?

And the moral of that is: Be what you would seem to be, or if you'd like it put more simply: Never imagine yourself not to be otherwise than what it might appear to others that what you were or might have been was not otherwise than what you had been would have appeared to them to be otherwise.

"We have been looking at the fossil record as a general test of the notion that life has evolved: to falsify that general idea, we would have to show that forms of life we considered more advanced appear earlier than the simpler forms." (Monkey Business, p.46, 1982)Paleobiologist Mary Schweitzer has defied the long-held belief that it is fruitless to search for preserved soft tissues in dinosaur remains. Most experts thought that such structures would have decayed and vanished long ago, but Schweitzer has found evidence of delicate structures such as blood vessels and red blood cells that have survived for millions of years.Blood vessels recovered from T. rex bone | New Scientist
T. Rex Blood? | NOVA | PBS
Dinosaur Shocker | Science| Smithsonian Magazine1.Schweitzer, M. H., J. L. Wittmeyer, J. R. Horner, J. K. Toporski. 2005. Soft-Tissue Vessels and Cellular Preservation in Tyrannosaurus rex. Science 307: 1952-1955.
2.Schweitzer, M. H.. 2005. Personal correspondence.
3.Schweitzer, M.H., Z. Suo, R. Avci, J.M. Asara, M.A. Allen, F. Teran Arce, and J.R. Horner. 2007. Analyses of soft tissue from Tyrannosaurus rex suggest the presence of protein. Science 316: 277-280.
4.Asara, J.M., M.H. Schweitzer, M.P. Phillips, L.M. Freimark, and L.C. Cantley. 2007. Protein sequences from mastodon (Mammut americanum) and dinosaur (Tyrannosaurus rex) revealed by mass spectrometry. Science 316:280-284.Though I must admit that Ica stones were claimed a Hoax. By the maker. My problem is why didnt artifact dating was not able to properly date these stones. By dating they unable to prove it was acient or not. Only the creator admission was anyone able to find this out. Not by dating.Richard Dawkins, of Oxford has this to say "alleged human bones in the Carboniferous coal deposits. If authenticated as human, these bones would blow the theory of evolution out of the water." (Free Inquiry, V.21, No.4, 10/11/2001)FIGURE 1. These are photos from the AD 2004 fossil dinosaur and human footprint excavation. About 100 pristine fossil human footprints with hundreds of dinosaur fossil human footprints have been excavated together since 1982 and witnessed by 100's of scientists, teachers and other volunteers. This ledge is about eight feet above the Paluxy River TX. in ancient Cretaceous limestone rock, formerly limy mud. This is one of many excavations since 1982.The above four photos were taken at the excavation On the Cretaceous Rock ledges along the Paluxy River, five miles S.W. of Glen Rose Texas along Rt. 202. It is 2 miles S.W. of the bridge spanning the Paluxy River & the Creation Evidences Museum. The city of Glen Rose is 65 miles S.W. of Dallas - Ft. Worth Metro area on Rt. 67. The above photos were taken during the annual five day early July 2004 excavation; in recent years a team of four or five men prepare the chosen site every year generally by removing the top rock by back hoe before the volunteers arrive. In 1982 when the first discoveries were made the rocks were generally removed by pneumatic drills, crow-bars and car jacks.FIGURE 2. This 11 inch long fossil human footprint impression shown above was excavated on July 6, 1983 by Dr. Carl Baugh who then lived in Missouri. Hugh Miller and sons Kevin, Brian and Matt Miller along with Jeff Green drove from Columbus Ohio to participate from July 4 to July 6. Jeff is a nephew of Flavil Miller who in 1983 lived in Byesville OH and was the founder and president of the Creation Research Science Education Foundation that sponsored this expedition in 1983. This footprint is the third ichnite in a trail of five excavated from 1983 and 1988. It was the best of the five showing distinct toe tips, distinct heel prints, and aspect ratios characteristic of the human foot.FIGURE 3. This right handprint in cretaceous limestone was so unique and so obviously human that the archaeologist in charge of the excavation was given permission by the land owner to remove this ichnite for further evaluation. The measurements are in Figure 4 and the details a bit more clear. The person making the impression apparently balanced himself with his right hand when reaching for something with his left as the thumb is stretched out as is the little finger.dinosaurc14ages.com - This website is for sale! - dinosaurc14ages Resources and Information.You deny the evidence and claim lack there of. Simple reality is: that mass amounts of civilzations throughout history have cliamed giant men and dinosaur and/or dragons. We some claim that because acients describe dinosaurs as dragons it some how deminishes the creditability when it does not. Modern scientist, evolutionist, and in general media and government through away the acient recordings of what was seen. Today we dont have dinosaurs that is clear. In remote places certain types are reportes and brushed off cause dinos are exstinct. For the most part they sure are and probably for good reason. Dinosaur bones with other fossils that should not be there it is reported and then sometimes lookdown upon or dismissed all together. Then we have many and I myself have posted ones that I didnt know were hoaxes or not. I admit. I just know a general censes of whats truth and what is not without massive study and expertise. I am saved. I enjoy discussing topics. This is a topic I am so heated on not because animals or dinosaurs or giants because I really do not care. I am concerned about men claiming and thinking that You, Me, and every man that has lived was not always men, did not always have a soul, did not always have freewill, did not always have emotion. Thats my problem. Minimizing man and his great abilities. I could understand hating God and not believing in one. But you take your importance away as being a Man by thinking or hinting that you are just a mutated evolved animal.This would into believing things are growing better when we are growing worse. We are declining not inclining. We devolve not evolve.Edited by ScottyDouglas, : No reason given.

Scotty, you're new here so I urge you to take a breath & listen to the veterans here. Lots of this stuff you've posted have been addressed here before.Please read some of the old threads covering this stuff before you post again. Otherwise, you'll be smacked down here very quickly & probably stomp off in a huff.Stay & learn.Edited by ooh-child, : typo

Dating methods would apply to the stones themselves, not the engravings on the stones.

Oh definitely. Without a doubt. Learned scholars tell us so. I'm just going off of your evidence; Well who could argue with that!? In message 1 you presented an astonishing wealth of evidence that dragons (or so-called "dinosaurs") existed alongside man for many years. They were evidently kept as beasts of burden. I for one was profoundly convinced by this seemingly irrefutable evidence. The truth was undeniable!Now you're trying to tell me that dinosaurs didn't live with man? That it just isn't a plausible idea? I have to say that I'm disappointed.C'mon Scotty, you were doing so well! If dinosaurs, sorry, dragons were part of everyday human life then surely we would see their fossils together. Dragon fossils with signs of human butchering perhaps. Or human bones with dragon bite-marks. Maybe even the remains of a dragon-drawn chariot! Surely you can show me something. I mean, I'm willing to be generous; I'm not asking to see them in the same rock. Just the same geological period would be a start.How about that? You show me some dragon bones and some human fossils within, say, 50 million years of each other?Anything?Mutate and Survive

And paleobiologist Mary Schweitzer thinks that creationists are full of shit, and gives public talks saying so.Moreover, Mary Schweitzer used to be a young-earth creationist before she started studying dinosaurs. It was her research into the evidence that convinced her personally that creationists were talking shit.Maybe she knows more about her research than you do. So you cited evidence that you know to be a hoax.There's some book somewhere that says that you shouldn't bear false witness --- but perhaps you think that that book is a load of crap. The Paluxy hoax has also been exposed. But perhaps you know that and wish to prate about it anyway. Since you are, apparently, deliberately dishonest, it's hard to tell when you're being genuinely stupid and when you're deliberately lying.

But somehow you forgot to mention that when you first brought them up. Yeah, but he also had this to say;

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Wise stands out among young-earth creationists not only for his impeccable education but for a modicum of scientific honesty and integrity. I have seen a published letter in which he comments on alleged 'human bones' in Carboniferous coal deposits. If authenticated as human, these 'bones' would blow the theory of evolution out of the water (incidentally giving the lie to the canard that it is unfalsifiable and therefore unscientific: J B S Haldane, asked by an overzealous Popperian what empirical finding might falsify evolution, famously growled, "Fossil rabbits in the Precambrian!"). Most creationists would not go out of their way to debunk a promising story of human remains in the Pennsylvanian Coal Measures. Yet Wise patiently and seriously examined the specimens as a trained paleontologist, and concluded unequivocally that they were "inorganically precipitated iron siderite nodules and not fossil material at all." Unusually among the motley denizens of the 'big tent' of creationism and intelligent design, he seems to accept that God needs no help from false witness.

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Source; richarddawkins.net/articles/115 Nice photos of the excavation. A pity they didn't think to include any photos of the actual footprints. You mean the notorious fraudulent footprints? You mean the notorious fraudster Carl Bough? Really. Where is it now? Giants too? Wow. You're awesome. Please post here as often as possible. Mutate and Survive

Been there. Seen that.Zero, or sub-zero, evidence that the small tracks are from anything other than a toe-walking dinosaur.

The Marco Polo passages could be describing a crocodile, Marco was not known to be the most objective observer. This is just a story and is not evidence at all. If they were dinosaurs he saw, why is there nothing in the Chinese record. Isn't it simpler that Marco screwed up a little or misinterpreted a story than the whole Chinese empire was in on the deception? This is your evidence?As for Christopher Columbus please provide the relevant passages to back up these assertions.

Please provide original reference

It's pretty clear that you have absolutely no idea of what Evolution is, what the Theory of Evolution says, what Evidence is, how to think critically or even how to read with comprehension. None of those are much of a problem unless you are over twelve.The first thing that you need to learn is what Evolution really is; and it's not all that complicated; it is change over time.The next thing to learn is that cultures from all over the world have myths about magic rings, fairy trees, ways to turn iron into gold, gods of all sizes, shapes and personalities.None of those are evidence of magic rings, fairy trees, trolls under bridges or gods of whatever size, shape or personality; they are evidence that cultures create myths.Myths about giants and dragons are ... myths about giants and dragons.You should also know that there are members here that are very familiar with the Paluxy area, have hiked that area, visited the State Park there and know about the hoax footprints.Frankly, other than the Gish Gallop and lies you've been indoctrinated in by Creationist Snake Oil Salesmen, it looks like you got nuttin.

Marco Polo : Travels of Marco Polo book 2
"Leaving the city of Yachi, and traveling ten days in a westerly direction, you reach the province of Karazan, which is also the name of the chief city....Here are seen huge serpents, ten paces in length (about 30 feet), and ten spans (about 8 feet) girt of the body. At the fore part, near the head, they have two short legs, having three claws like those of a tiger, with eyes larger than a forepenny loaf (pane da quattro denari) and very glaring."The jaws are wide enough to swallow a man, the teeth are large and sharp, and their whole appearance is so formidable, that neither man, nor any kind of animal can approach them without terror. Others are met with of a smaller size, being eight, six, or 5 paces long; and the following method is used for taking them. In the day-time, by reason of great heat, they lurk in caverns, from whence, at night, they issue to seek their food, and whatever beast they meet with and can lay hold of, whether tiger, wolf, or any other, they devour;"Columbus: In his diary entry for 21 October 1492, Columbus reported killing and skinning a 'serpent' measuring almost 5 ft long that he had seen entering a lake on the Bahamian island which he later dubbed Isabela. Another of these 'serpents', of similar size, was killed at a different lake on that same island a day later, this time by Martin Alonso Pinzon - the captain of one of Columbus's ships, the Pinta.
ShukerNature: CHRISTOPHER COLUMBUS AND THE SKINNED 'SERPENT'ADMIRAL RICHARD B. BYRD'S DIARY (FEB - MAR.1947)(The Inner Earth : My Secret Diary)
THE LAND BEYOND THE POLES - THE EXPLORATION FLIGHT OVER THE NORTH POLE.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------I must write this diary in secrecy and obscurity. It concerns my Arctic flight of the nineteenth day of February in the year of Nineteen and Forty Seven.There comes a time when the rationality of men must fade into insignificance and one must accept the inevitability of the Truth! am not at liberty to disclose the following documentation at this writing... perhaps it shall never see the light of public scrutiny,but I must do my duty and record here for all to read one day. In a world of greed and exploitation of certain of mankind, one can no longer suppress that which is truth.1. FLIGHT LOG: BASE CAMP ARCTIC, 2119/1947
0600 HOURS - All preparations are complete for our flight north ward and we are airborne with full fuel tanks at 0610 Hours.....0910 HOURS - Vast Ice and snow below, note coloration of yellowish nature, and dispersed in a linear pattern. Altering course for a better examination of this color pattern below, note reddish or purple color also. Circle this area two full turns and return to assigned compass heading. Position check made again to base camp, and relay information concerning colorations in the Ice and snow below.0910 HOURS - Both Magnetic and Gyro compasses beginning to gyrate and wobble, we are unable to hold our heading by instrumentation. Take bearing with Sun compass, yet all seems well. The controls are seemingly slow to respond and have sluggish quality, but there is no indication of Icing!0915 HOURS - In the distance is what appears to be mountains.0949 HOURS -29 minutes elapsed flight time from the first sighting of the mountains, it is no illusion. They are mountains and consisting of a small range that I have never seen before!0955 HOURS - Altitude change to 2950 feet, encountering strong turbulence again.2. 1000 HOURS - We are crossing over the small mountain range and still proceeding northward as best as can be ascertained. Beyond the mountain range is what appears to be a valley with a small river or stream running through the center portion. There should be no green valley below! Something is definitely wrong and abnormal here! We should be over Ice and Snow! To the portside are great forests growing on the mountain slopes. ...1.To this point, Ch.7, pg. 80.
2.To this point, Ch.7, pg. 81.1140 HOURS - Another radio message received. We begin the landing process now, and in moments the plane shudders slightly, and begins a descent as though caught in some great unseen elevator! The downward motion is negligible, and we touch down with only a slight jolt!1.1145 HOURS - I am making a hasty last entry in the flight log. Several men are approaching on foot toward our aircraft. They are tall with blond hair.2.In the distance is a large shimmering city pulsating with rainbow hues of color. I do not know what is going to happen now, but I see no signs of weapons on those approaching. I hear now a voice ordering me by name to open the cargo door. I comply.END LOG3. MARCH 11, 1947
I have just attended a staff meeting at the Pentagon. I have stated fully my discovery and the message from the Master. All is duly recorded. The President has been advised. I am now detained for several hours (six hours, thirty-nine minutes, to be exact.) I am interviewed intently by Top Security Forces and a medical team. It was an ordeal! I am placed under strict control via the national security provisions of this United States of America. I am ORDERED TO REMAIN SILENT IN REGARD TO ALL THAT I HAVE LEARNED, ON THE BEHALF OF HUMANITY! Incredible! I am reminded that I am a military man I must obey orders....In further confirmation of Admiral Byrd's discovery are reports of individuals who claimed they had entered the north polar opening, as many Arctic explorers did without knowing they did, and penetrated far enough into it to reach the Subterranean World in the hollow interior of the Earth. Dr. Nephi Cottom of Los Angeles reported that one of his patients, a man of Nordic descent, told him the following story:"I lived near the Arctic Circle in Norway. One summer my friend and I made up our minds to take a boat trip together, and go as far as we could into the north country. So we put one month's food provisions in a small fishing boat, and with sail and also a good engine in our boat, we set to sea.4. At the end of one month we had travelled far into the north, beyond the Pole and into a strange new country. We were much astonished at the weather there. Warm, and at times at night it was almost too warm to sleep. Then we saw something so strange that we both were astonished. Ahead of the warm open sea we were on what looked like a great mountain. Into that mountain at a certain point the ocean seemed to be emptying. Mystified, we continued in that direction and found ourselves sailing into a vast canyon leading into the interior of the earth. We kept sailing and then we saw what surprised us - a sun shining inside the earth!5. Several of the inner earth inhabitants - huge giants - detected our boat on the river, and were quite amazed...Edited by ScottyDouglas, : No reason given.

Scotty, Scotty, Scotty...You do know that thousands of planes fly over the North Pole every year carrying tens of thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands of passengers; that dozens if not hundreds of satellites have mapped the North Pole using everything from visible light to infrared sensors to radar to magnetometers?You do know that not one page of the so called "Secret Diary" has ever been seen?You do know that that has nothing to do with whether or not humans and dinosaurs (excluding birds) ever lived together?

5'....Got eastern diamondbacks that big around here.How does this support you? Snakes get much bigger than 5 feet all over the world.

Next....The Earth is flat.