Register | Sign In


Understanding through Discussion


EvC Forum active members: 65 (9162 total)
4 online now:
Newest Member: popoi
Post Volume: Total: 915,819 Year: 3,076/9,624 Month: 921/1,588 Week: 104/223 Day: 2/13 Hour: 0/0


Thread  Details

Email This Thread
Newer Topic | Older Topic
  
Author Topic:   Applying Ocam's Razor To BB vs Biblical ID Creationism and EvC
Buzsaw
Inactive Member


Message 1 of 38 (662907)
05-19-2012 3:36 PM


Ocams Razor renders the simplest explanation as the more likely explanation of phenomena, etc.
This thread is for debate, applying Ocam's Razor to the following list of examples.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.
Someone wisely said something ;ike, "Before fooling with a fool, make sure the fool is a fool."

Replies to this message:
 Message 2 by Panda, posted 05-19-2012 4:00 PM Buzsaw has not replied
 Message 3 by jar, posted 05-19-2012 4:02 PM Buzsaw has not replied
 Message 4 by crashfrog, posted 05-19-2012 4:44 PM Buzsaw has not replied
 Message 5 by ringo, posted 05-19-2012 4:54 PM Buzsaw has not replied
 Message 6 by Tangle, posted 05-19-2012 5:34 PM Buzsaw has not replied
 Message 7 by Buzsaw, posted 05-19-2012 6:31 PM Buzsaw has not replied
 Message 35 by Admin, posted 05-20-2012 8:11 AM Buzsaw has not replied

Buzsaw
Inactive Member


Message 7 of 38 (662913)
05-19-2012 6:31 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Buzsaw
05-19-2012 3:36 PM


Re: Pertaining To 1LoT
Panda writes:
First law of thermodynamics:
quote:
The change in the internal energy of a closed system is equal to the amount of heat supplied to the system, minus the amount of work performed by the system on its surroundings.
]
The closed infinite time and space system is one of unbounded space, space having no visible properties capable of bounding space. Thus it has no surroundings.
Again, Ocam's Razor would apply, due to the fact that no space bounds can be physically observed or falsified.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.
Someone wisely said something ;ike, "Before fooling with a fool, make sure the fool is a fool."

This message is a reply to:
 Message 1 by Buzsaw, posted 05-19-2012 3:36 PM Buzsaw has not replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 8 by crashfrog, posted 05-19-2012 6:40 PM Buzsaw has replied
 Message 10 by Panda, posted 05-19-2012 9:01 PM Buzsaw has replied

Buzsaw
Inactive Member


Message 9 of 38 (662915)
05-19-2012 8:56 PM
Reply to: Message 8 by crashfrog
05-19-2012 6:40 PM


Re: Applying Dimensions
crashfrog writes:
The surface of a sphere is an example of a structure finite in area,
There you go again, tipically applying a 2 (abe: metrical dimension model to a 3 metrical dimension system.)
Edited by Buzsaw, : as noted

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.
Someone wisely said something ;ike, "Before fooling with a fool, make sure the fool is a fool."

This message is a reply to:
 Message 8 by crashfrog, posted 05-19-2012 6:40 PM crashfrog has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 11 by Coyote, posted 05-19-2012 9:02 PM Buzsaw has not replied
 Message 12 by Panda, posted 05-19-2012 9:02 PM Buzsaw has not replied
 Message 13 by crashfrog, posted 05-19-2012 9:03 PM Buzsaw has not replied

Buzsaw
Inactive Member


Message 15 of 38 (662921)
05-19-2012 9:40 PM
Reply to: Message 10 by Panda
05-19-2012 9:01 PM


Re: Pertaining To 1LoT
Panda writes:
By your logic: the universe was created by god - because it is a simpler explanation than the Big Bang Theory.
No, Panda. Infinite systems are never created. The energy in the Universe changes forms as work is applied, Wonderfully designed complex closed systems within it are created and/or destroyed by the intelligent designer of them, the working designer being the Biblical god, Jehovah, the majestic manager of the Universe.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.
Someone wisely said something ;ike, "Before fooling with a fool, make sure the fool is a fool."

This message is a reply to:
 Message 10 by Panda, posted 05-19-2012 9:01 PM Panda has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 17 by Panda, posted 05-19-2012 9:46 PM Buzsaw has not replied
 Message 19 by Panda, posted 05-19-2012 9:52 PM Buzsaw has replied

Buzsaw
Inactive Member


Message 20 of 38 (662926)
05-19-2012 10:13 PM
Reply to: Message 14 by NoNukes
05-19-2012 9:37 PM


Re: Applying Dimensions
NoNukes writes:
I'd give Buzsaw most of the credit on this question. It is only the surface of the sphere that is relevant, and that surface is a 2D space. The stuff contained in the "interior" of a 2 sphere is not real.
Buzsaw fails to get full credit because he refused to note that a 2 sphere is simply an analogy for the topology of the universe. I don't believe any of us can visualize the 3 spheres and 4 spheres. At least I know I cannot.
Of course you can't. Your bogus model does not model the system. That's how conventional science deceives the young impressionable minds of the sheeple in the schools of learning.
To apply a 3 metrical dimension model to the 3 dimension Universe would falsify what conventional science advocates. Conventional science must restort to this deception and to abstract renditions of math, relativity and QM, etc in order to support un-probable and un-observable positions, contrary to Ocam's Razor.
Edited by Buzsaw, : Spelling corrected, noted by Crashfrog

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.
Someone wisely said something ;ike, "Before fooling with a fool, make sure the fool is a fool."

This message is a reply to:
 Message 14 by NoNukes, posted 05-19-2012 9:37 PM NoNukes has not replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 23 by crashfrog, posted 05-19-2012 10:32 PM Buzsaw has not replied

Buzsaw
Inactive Member


Message 21 of 38 (662927)
05-19-2012 10:19 PM
Reply to: Message 19 by Panda
05-19-2012 9:52 PM


Re: Pertaining To 1LoT
Panda writes:
Well, we seemed to have moved away from your first post.
So, in an attempt to move us back:
CRYSTALS!!!
Go back and read carefully. You will note that I emphasied BY AND LARGE

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.
Someone wisely said something ;ike, "Before fooling with a fool, make sure the fool is a fool."

This message is a reply to:
 Message 19 by Panda, posted 05-19-2012 9:52 PM Panda has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 22 by crashfrog, posted 05-19-2012 10:31 PM Buzsaw has replied
 Message 26 by Panda, posted 05-20-2012 5:37 AM Buzsaw has replied

Buzsaw
Inactive Member


Message 27 of 38 (662933)
05-20-2012 6:24 AM
Reply to: Message 26 by Panda
05-20-2012 5:37 AM


Re: Pertaining To 1LoT
Panda, stop trolling my thread. Either poop or get off the pot.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.
Someone wisely said something ;ike, "Before fooling with a fool, make sure the fool is a fool."

This message is a reply to:
 Message 26 by Panda, posted 05-20-2012 5:37 AM Panda has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 28 by Panda, posted 05-20-2012 7:09 AM Buzsaw has seen this message but not replied

Buzsaw
Inactive Member


Message 29 of 38 (662935)
05-20-2012 7:15 AM
Reply to: Message 25 by Tangle
05-20-2012 4:14 AM


Re: Evidence of Observed Phenomena
tangle writes:
To prove Occam's preferrence that 'it was the dog wot done done it, yer honour', science would examine the contents of its stomach to find the evidence.
Well, me friend, at least the scientific examination of the stomach content of doggie is physically observable. Not so with Ocam's application to the concocted evolutionist abstract science methodologies, pertaining to the BB 13.5 billion year ago alleged zero singularity event, having no area/space in which it could have happened, no outside area/space into which it could have expanded and no existing time in which it could have happened.
Talk about creationist faith based sciences. Yours is are all essentially faith based allegements, so as to exempt you in your deluded mindes from accountability the supreme intelligent designing majesty of the Universe, the Biblical god, Jehovah.
Plenty of physically observable evidence of his existence has been aired in the debates. The same goes with the credibility of his Biblical record.
This evidence has been aired by me and others in the threads over the years. Secularist minded members catagorically deny the existence of higher forms of intelligence in the Universe, no matter how much evidence creationists cite.
Application of Ocam's Razor supports ID conclusions, more-so than those of narrow minded scecularistic minded skeptics.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.
Someone wisely said something ;ike, "Before fooling with a fool, make sure the fool is a fool."

This message is a reply to:
 Message 25 by Tangle, posted 05-20-2012 4:14 AM Tangle has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 30 by Tangle, posted 05-20-2012 7:25 AM Buzsaw has replied

Buzsaw
Inactive Member


Message 31 of 38 (662937)
05-20-2012 7:47 AM
Reply to: Message 22 by crashfrog
05-19-2012 10:31 PM


Re: Pertaining To 1LoT
crashfrog writes:
Then you've committed the fallacy of the looming caveat; crystals are incredibly common, most elements and compounds can be induced to adopt a crystalline structure under quite prosaic conditions, and usually they do so because the enthalpy change of the system under those conditions as it crystalizes exceeds the entropy loss.
That happens all over the place, Buz, and it's not just something you can sweepingly dismiss with a "by and large." It's a direct and omnipresent counterexample that you can't just pretend is nonexistent.
Apples & oranges, Crashfrog. The forming of crystals involves a lot less time, and work. On the other hand, the creation of a complex human body from chaotic dirt would require intelligent planning and work. To apply life, soul and spirit to the formed body would requre more complex work. The formation of crystals, etc, requires no intellgent planning or thought, nor does it involve life.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.
Someone wisely said something ;ike, "Before fooling with a fool, make sure the fool is a fool."

This message is a reply to:
 Message 22 by crashfrog, posted 05-19-2012 10:31 PM crashfrog has not replied

Buzsaw
Inactive Member


Message 32 of 38 (662938)
05-20-2012 7:56 AM
Reply to: Message 30 by Tangle
05-20-2012 7:25 AM


Re: Evidence of Observed Phenomena
tangle writes:
Simply saying it's so, doesn't make it so, Buz.
You keep claiming to have provided evidence for the belief in a creationist god, but so far I haven't seen any that counts as real evidence - just spectulation and assumption plus a huge pile of many times refuted error.
What's your best shot at real evidence?
Thanks for making my point, Tangle. You catagorically and dogmatically deny the cited evidence. All one need do is check out my 8 year profile and review all of the evidence cited. None of this cited evidence will ever be acknowledged by you. To do so sould refute your own positions which run counter to Ocam's Razor.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.
Someone wisely said something ;ike, "Before fooling with a fool, make sure the fool is a fool."

This message is a reply to:
 Message 30 by Tangle, posted 05-20-2012 7:25 AM Tangle has not replied

Buzsaw
Inactive Member


Message 36 of 38 (662945)
05-20-2012 12:46 PM


Re: Buz's Final Evo Butt Kicker As Per Thread Topic; Ocam's Razor.
I figured it would be a matter of time before I am banned from butt kicking the pitifully inept science sheeple EvC constituency. Carry on, my friends. :

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.
Someone wisely said something ;ike, "Before fooling with a fool, make sure the fool is a fool."

Buzsaw
Inactive Member


Message 37 of 38 (662979)
05-20-2012 7:54 PM


FreeForAll?
Any chance this could be promoted in FreeForAll, Admin?

Newer Topic | Older Topic
Jump to:


Copyright 2001-2023 by EvC Forum, All Rights Reserved

™ Version 4.2
Innovative software from Qwixotic © 2024