General Discussion Of Moderation Procedures (aka 'The Whine List')

Then why are you the only one here foaming at the mouth like a rabid dog?You are acting just like so many mindless creationists who have viciously attacked me via email for my webpage, where I am trying to tell them the same thing that Safarti and Batten of Answers in Genesis have tried to tell them, that using false claims only damages their cause and causes Christians who believe those false claims to doubt their faith and to run the danger of losing their faith. So just exactly who is being hateful and full of rage there? The atheist trying to warn Christians of danger to their faith? Or the Christians so filled with rage against non-Christians that they lash out in vicious attacks without having any comprehension at all of what they're raging against?Time for you to perform a reality check. What are you doing here? Why are you here? What purpose or goal do you have for being here? And, how well are your actions working in promoting that purpose or goal?If you are wanting to show us how reasonable creationism is, then you are failing. If you want to convince us that creationists and Christians are little more than mindless lunatics, then you are succeeding.What are you trying to achieve here? How might you best go about achieving that?Stop raging and try to think!

wengazi.Though he did inadvertently raise an interesting point by resurrecting foreveryoung's topic on Setterfield's c-decay claim. Forty-odd messages posted, but all that foreveryoung contributed to his own topic was the pre-promotion communication with the moderator.{Scumball suspended, 11 spam messages deleted, 11 bumped topics unbumped. - Adminnemooseus}Edited by Adminnemooseus, : Add note and add to subtitle.

One possibility is that that is exactly what's happening. He's a college student, apparently in his first year and apparently majoring in geology. I seem to recall that at first he made passing reference to people at school and having arguments with them. I'm sure that he feels that he's being attacked on all sides both with subject matter that he's very interested in learning but which not only fails to support his YEC beliefs but also reveals those beliefs to be false, and from the reaction of his fellow students to what seems to them to be full-blown-bozo, bat-shit-crazy beliefs. Obviously, he cannot lash out at them as he wants to, so he looked for surrogates that he can direct his rage at "safely" -- us.So I suspect that it is the situation at school that's filling him with rage and that he's trying to use us as surrogates against whom to vent that rage. Unfortunately for him, all that does is to reinforce and fuel even more rage, rage which may boil over in his real life and get him into real-life trouble.He needs to talk with a counselor about this. And there are Christian counselors who specialize in dealing with the Christian mind-set and I'm sure that they have had experience with his problems that I'm sure he thinks are uniquely his.

I wouldn't doubt that, since my understanding is that Christian counselors mix standard counseling theory and techniques with references to the Bible. I also understand that that is necessary since their clients' psychologies have been infused with their theology, such that they think about everything in terms of their theology -- this is the same reason why Christian counseling and programs such as their DivorceCare are useless and worse than useless to non-Christians (though I've heard that now military chaplains, especially Army, require divorcing military couples to go through the DivorceCare program -- and here I had thought that it was the Air Force that was being taken over by fundamentalists).Yes, I'm sure that they will go over 2 Corinthians Chapter 6 and other similar passages. And, since it appears to me that foreveryoung is trying to fight the early on-set of deconversion, I'm sure that a Christian counselor will try to stave off that as well, likely leaving him more deeply delusional than he is now.But at least a counselor could help him work out the emotional turmoil he's going through and teach him how to deal with before it grows to the point of getting him in trouble with the college and with the law.

Any kind of counselor could do the same, abusing his position to pervert his patients/clients (just what are they called?) into furthering the counselor's own agenda -- how many wives have gone to a counselor to try to save their marriage only to get talked into divorcing the sucker? When we seek help and advice from a counselor, we need to trust that that counselor is ethical, so we would need to trust that a Christian counselor that foreveryoung would seek out would be ethical.OK, using "Christian" and "ethical" in the same sentence? Those are two terms that, with our extensive experience with creationism, just do not go together. OK, so to borrow from Rahvin's reply, we can at the very least hope that that Christian counselor would at least be a Mensch. OK, using "Christian" and "Mensch" in the same sentence? When was the last time you have ever met a Christian who was a Mensch? For me, it was 1995. Let's face it, their theology is not at all conducive to Menschheit.But despite all those difficulties and many more, we must hope that the counselor puts the needs of the patient/client before his own agendae. Or if a "True Christian" feels that he wants to blow doctors and non-Christians away with his shotgun or whatever other implements of destruction, then that's what he's going to do. He shouldn't feel any need to talk with a religious counselor about it, unless he wants to leave behind a big political statement in case society rightfully stops him, cutting him down like the rabid dog that he is, before or after the fact. Rather, the need to talk about it beforehand would rightfully be seen as a call for help, that that person doesn't actually want to go through with it.That foreveryoung seeks to redirect his rage and aggression against us, effectively non-corporeal entities in cyber-space, instead of against the real-life people in his everyday corporeal existence, would indicate that we are seeing a call-for-help.He needs to find a qualified person whom he can trust with whom to talk about what he's going through.