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foreveryoung Member (Idle past 792 days) Posts: 921 Joined: |
I have already shown earlier in the thread that change does not always necessarily leave evidence. Have you been able to show the flaws in my logic. I probably did read message #20. What about it?
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jar Member Posts: 33957 From: Texas!! Joined: Member Rating: 2.3
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No, you have NOT shown that change might not leave evidence.
Logic has nothing to do with reality. If you read message 20 then you would know that the mass did not change as you asserted. The fact is that simple observation shows us that the physical laws have not changed in billions of years. Until you can present evidence of the change you have nothing but fantasy and fairytales. Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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foreveryoung Member (Idle past 792 days) Posts: 921 Joined: |
I don't believe things just so that it will contradict science. I know that is your impression of creationists. Perhaps that description fits some of them. 4.56 billion years is a ridiculous amount of time for mankind to be around and for the bible to be absolutely silent about most of that time. The bible says all the original animals were created whole and did not come from prior animals. It specifically says they were created in a 2 day period. That does not allow for darwinian evolution. We do know that evolution has occurred and is occurring right now. Darwinian evolution requires millions of years to work. Darwinian evolution is in direct contradiction to the creation of animals in a 2 day period. Created animals that came off the ark with environmentally cued evolution preprogrammed into their genes does not require millions of years to work. 1 million years is sufficient time to get todays diversity from a couple thousand of originally created animals. The 1 million year figure comes from the absurdity of expanding 20 generations in a genealogy to several million generations of humans who are not even mentioned in passing. It also comes from the necessity of providing an explanation for the fossil record and observed evolution that does not contradict the clear wording of scripture regarding the creation of animals.
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foreveryoung Member (Idle past 792 days) Posts: 921 Joined: |
I certainly did.
Sorry to disappoint you , but it does
How do you know it did not change?
So you say, but you have yet to make a case for it.
Until you can present evidence that change ALWAYS AND BY NECESSITY leaves evidence of that change, you have nothing but fantasy and fairytales
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jar Member Posts: 33957 From: Texas!! Joined: Member Rating: 2.3
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Again, we have genetic evidence from humans going back to Adam's time as well as from animals, plants, shrooms and there just in no real difference between the humans and critters that were contemporaries of Adam and those today. See Looking for the Super-Genome. -And it ain't found.
And humans have not been around for 4.6 billion years. The fact is it's just yet another place where the Bible is factually wrong. And the idea that the Biblical Flood (whichever of the Biblical flood myths you pick) has been absolutely refuted. It just never happened. Bringing up the Ark is simply a non-starter, DOA. See No genetic bottleneck proves no global flood. Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member Posts: 33957 From: Texas!! Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
I know mass did not change because the earth exists. See Message 20.
Please provide the link to where you showed that changing the physical laws might not leave evidence. Edited by jar, : fix link Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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foreveryoung Member (Idle past 792 days) Posts: 921 Joined: |
Yes, the sun would have less mass than jupiter currently has. Under the currently laws of physics, the sun would be unable to even be a sun with that amount of mass. We need to consider the matter a little deeper then, don't we? What are the physical laws that make it possible for the sun to shine and be a star today? Is it possible to tweak those laws in a way that would make it possible for the sun to have the mass of jupiter and still behave as the thermonuclear oven that it is today? It would seem so to me. The problem you have is that you limit your possibilities to only what you can perceive physically happening today. Edited by foreveryoung, : No reason given.
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foreveryoung Member (Idle past 792 days) Posts: 921 Joined: |
Already rebutted.
My reply to nwr answers this nicely. The fact that my aunt has no testicles doesn't mean there was never a time when aunt did have testicles. Creationism is only proven wrong if you assume all the physical laws and constants have been the same since the beginning. Like I said to nwr, if the prior physical universe and its laws were so radically changed and its forms radically changed to the point to were there was no way to tell it ever existed, you would have no way of knowing it ever existed. You can have a wild sex party in your parents basement but clean it up and leave everthing exactly the way it was before and make sure everyone has alibis for the time in question, your parents would have no reason to believe there was ever a wild sex party that occurred in their basement. Prior to the above post that I copied from earlier in the thread, see post #37 in response to nwr Edited by foreveryoung, : No reason given.
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jar Member Posts: 33957 From: Texas!! Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
Utter nonsense.
This is not a rebuttal, it's a joke. Yes you can imagine a universe where the physical laws are different than in this universe, but you cannot have this universe. Where is the evidence? Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 325 days) Posts: 16112 Joined:
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No, that's not how it works. The burden of proof lies with you. Alice: There are flying pigs. Now, who's in the right? Bob, obviously. Alice can't shift the burden of proof like that, it's absurd. Now if she'd said: "There might conceivably be flying pigs", then she would be justified --- to refute that, we would indeed have to show that if they existed we would have evidence of them. And in the same way we can conceive of natural laws being somewhat different in the past, but we have absolutely no reason to believe it: it is fantasy pure and simple.
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foreveryoung Member (Idle past 792 days) Posts: 921 Joined: |
Yes it was a rebuttal. I can't help it if you are too retarded to recognize it as such. I already gave you the evidence; its not my fault that your ideology prevents you from accepting it.
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Panda Member (Idle past 2987 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: |
So - your reason for choosing an age of 1 million years is simply your own personal incredulity. In other words: you pulled that number from out of your butt. /golfclap CRYSTALS!!
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jar Member Posts: 33957 From: Texas!! Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
Would fantasy get a pass at your school?
How do you change the mass of the sun and still have this solar system? Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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foreveryoung Member (Idle past 792 days) Posts: 921 Joined: |
That's all well and good but you and jar are the ones who are claiming that flying pigs exist.
Edited by foreveryoung, : No reason given.
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jar Member Posts: 33957 From: Texas!! Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
Please provide a link to where I claimed flying pigs exist.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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