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Artemis Entreri 
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Message 10 of 101 (664745)
06-04-2012 5:46 PM
Reply to: Message 4 by LexM1985
06-02-2012 7:34 PM


Re: possible sources
Where are you coming from? I mean it sounds like you are from some very fundamentalist area where that is all you have to judge theists on.

your take on Christians just seems exceptionally narrow, as if you have only met one kind, and think we are all the same.

"prove it" aint that big of a deal to someone with faith.


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Artemis Entreri 
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Message 13 of 101 (664808)
06-05-2012 11:51 AM


bluescat48 writes:

I've been in Fundie areas & non-fundi areas and the Christians in the Fundie areas vs. the Christians in the non-Fundi areas are like day & night, or oil & water. At times one wonders if they are worshipping the same God.

me too. When I lived in the bible belt i got to hear about how i wasn't a christian all the time.

Capt. Stormfield writes:

The inability of believers to reach any consensus about the meaning of the book they claim as their authority is one of the best arguments against its usefulness. By learning the rhetoric of competing fundamentalisms (And yes, that should be oxymoronic.) the original poster might have some hope of driving the level of debate up a notch. Speaking from my own experience, being forced to seek the common truth undergirding the different denominations of Christianity helped lead to the eventual realization that reality was the only reliable common denominator in life.

I find most evangelical protestants difficult to understand as well.


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Message 15 of 101 (664831)
06-05-2012 7:59 PM
Reply to: Message 14 by LexM1985
06-05-2012 6:15 PM


Some interesting points guys, thanks. I've been researching the evolution-creationism controversy for a couple years now and have formed some pretty strong opinions regarding the existence of a God.

welcome.

I think I hear what you are saying but I do not think there is much of a controversy.

I have been Christian my whole life, yet I have never met any creationists in my church. I have probably only met 5 or 6 ever. I think I have one or two friends who are creationists currently, but it never comes up and we have never discussed it.

I joined this board in the hopes of refining my views and listening to what other people have to say on the matters. I have good friends from all kinds of religions and denominations of Christianity and most of them aren't shy from at least discussing the existence of God on a critical level.

depends what side of the fence you are on, and how easy you are offended when your ideas are changed, and how you deal with very semantic and pedantic people.

If I had to guess i would say this place is only 5-10% creationists. they get dogpiled and overwhelmed rather fast but the well informed and trolled-out by the condescending people, few last here for any amount of time.

I was hoping that if I can demonstrate that some of the views they have about the bible aren't supported by the book itself then maybe they can take the first step to thinking more critically.

I think taking the approach of positivism doesn't work very well. Their views are rarely supported by anything more than personal belief to begin with.

Debating scripture is sort of uncharted territory for me and I'm just not prepared to debate biblical rhetoric.

plus its super boring and no one can agree on what is being stated in the passages.

Another question to atheists: When do you think it's appropriate to debate scripture? I know many that have said "Never, it's not your responsibility to be an expert of their holy book," but I've seen others have colorful debates on the topics of slavery, genocide and absolute morality based on their knowledge of scripture.

I am no atheist. its probably appropriate in a forum or thread specifically about a piece of scripture. I try and stay away from that stuff any way.

beware of Sola scriptura.


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Artemis Entreri 
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Message 29 of 101 (664933)
06-06-2012 7:06 PM
Reply to: Message 16 by dwise1
06-06-2012 12:25 AM


yeah riiight
dwise1 writes:

My attitude towards Christians and other religionists is and has always been one of respecting their choice to believe what they want to.

hard to believe considering your use of such an offensive and troll-like avatar.

but such denial is typical of anti-theists. you claim one thing but your actions show something else.

if you were really about respect then you would be respectful. There are many respectful Atheists on this board, you are just NOT one of them.


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Message 32 of 101 (665019)
06-07-2012 7:57 AM
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06-07-2012 7:18 AM


Re: yeah riiight
dogmafood writes:

There is a difference between respecting someone's right to believe what they wish and respecting what they actually believe.

just as there is a difference between being respectful and having a trollish avatar. there are those here who advertise themselves as troll without even typing one letter. they use avatars designed to tease and taunt christians. All i am saying is be truthful, don't say one thing that is an obvious lie.

If you were to tell me that 1 and 1 are 3 is it not more respectful to tell you that you are wrong then to nod approvingly?

except i am not telling you that. all i am saying is that avatars like the ones from dwise or taz are offensive, and are offensive on purpose. I don't have issue with having an avatar like that (they are both hilarious). my issue is when these people lie and say they are respectful of others, and are atheist, when the truth is they are taunting and are anti-theists.

much like you would let someone know the 1+1 is not 3, I am letting the liars know that they are lying.


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