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Author Topic:   Physical Laws ....What if they were different before?
jar
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Message 254 of 309 (664879)
06-06-2012 9:37 AM
Reply to: Message 234 by foreveryoung
06-05-2012 11:28 PM


Re: Speed of Light: the Sequel
foreveryoung writes:
What evidence did you present??????????????????????? I saw NOTHING.
I saw one big ASSUMPTION.
You certainly cannot say with a high degree of confidence that mass has not changed at least during the existence of our solar system.
A stellar body of mass cannot exist as a sun if it has the mass of jupiter. That is true if all the laws of physics were all the same as they are today. Did you forget what the name of this thread was???????????? What makes a sun a sun? Thermonuclear fusion is the answer. What makes that happen? Aren't the weak and strong nuclear forces involved? Isn't it possible to generate thermonuclear energy with a stellar body that has the mass of jupiter if the strong and weak nuclear forces were different?
Although you claim that you did not see any evidence, it was there.
If the strong and weak forces were different in the past it would leave evidence.
We can look at stars and see what is happening in the past. We can observe planetary bodies that orbit a distant sun and from that we can determine things like the masses involved. What we find is that at that scale, the planets behave just as here.
Since when looking at stars we are directly looking at how things were in the past, we can compare those solar systems from millions of years ago to what is happening today.
We can also look at those halos produced at Oklo. Are they different?
Changing the nuclear force so that an object even less massive than Mercury can undergo nuclear fusion does not change the effects of gravity.
If the sun was the mass you suggested then the solar system would not have formed.
The earth though is here.
Do you agree that there is evidence that the Earth is here?

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jar
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Message 281 of 309 (664922)
06-06-2012 3:25 PM
Reply to: Message 264 by foreveryoung
06-06-2012 2:18 PM


What God wrote
And ALL the evidence shows that if God did create the universe She did it at least 14.5 Billion years ago and then waited about 10 Billion years to create the Earth and that man is little more than an after thought.
The Bible though is full of factual errors, fallacies and omissions when it comes to describing 'how' God did it.
Change leaves evidence.
Edited by jar, : fix sub-title.

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jar
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Message 282 of 309 (664923)
06-06-2012 3:44 PM
Reply to: Message 246 by foreveryoung
06-06-2012 2:55 AM


The rock in the hard place.
foreveryoung writes:
If you dug into the ground and came upon a stone that was dated to be 2 billion years old and on its was engraved the following message, would you not look into to the possibility that the claims made on the story had any basis in reality? The message engraved on the stones said that it was written by the creator of the universe and that the stone was part of the bedrock sitting underneath the soil from which adam, the first human, was created from.
Well, when I stopped laughing, I'd first look at the calendar to see if it was time for yet another "Onyate Man" but then I'd certainly try to figure out how the prankster did it.
It would be a really neat prank though.

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jar
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Message 301 of 309 (665081)
06-07-2012 5:17 PM


Summary
Change leaves evidence.
No one has shown the evidence of such change.
Lots of people have shown evidence that there has been no such change.
You can imagine a universe where the Physical Laws were different but it would not be this universe.

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