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Theodoric
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Message 256 of 264 (665188)
06-09-2012 11:02 PM
Reply to: Message 254 by New Cat's Eye
06-09-2012 5:26 PM


Re: Romney the criminal police impersonator?
When you speculate on other people's wants, you look like really stupid asshole.
I am really tired of your abuse here and had a long tirade typed out. But I realized that I am better than that. If admins want to let you launch personal attack after personal attack so be it.
I know you like people to follow rules but only follow them yourself if it is in your own personal interest. So right wing, so republican.
quote:
10. The sincerely held beliefs of other members deserve your respect. Please keep discussion civil. Argue the position, not the person.
Any idea where that is from?
cathyguy writes:
From your own link:
quote:
Romney had put a siren on top of his car and chased two of his friends who were driving around with their dates. The two friends were in on the scheme, but the girls were not.
I know you read the whole article, but I am not surprised you just cherry picked the info that sort of supports your argument. But you see I can read and others can too and we all know you cherry picked. I also know you read my response to fearandloathing which is right before your post.
"Impersonating a police officer" covers a wide range of behaviors, from the wrong costume party at the wrong time to actually running around arresting people against their will.
You spin this any more you are going spin yourself right into the ground. Pulling over people while dressed in a real state troopers uniform with a flashing light on your car is a felony offense.
Only when you're convicted.
Are you telling me that people are only charged with a felony after they are convicted? Come on your arguments are now getting sophomoric and rather silly.
Your personal attacks have become so predictable and lame. You will notice I ended my last post with
Ready, set....
Maybe I should just say go because I know it is coming.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Message 257 of 264 (665217)
06-10-2012 11:05 AM
Reply to: Message 256 by Theodoric
06-09-2012 11:02 PM


Re: Romney the criminal police impersonator?
I am really tired of your abuse here and had a long tirade typed out.
abuse "wah, the mean guy on the internet called me names"
But I realized that I am better than that. If admins want to let you launch personal attack after personal attack so be it.
I know you like people to follow rules but only follow them yourself if it is in your own personal interest. So right wing, so republican.
you say you're better than it and then immediately insult me Gosh you're dumb.
And I find it incredibly disrespectful for you to speculate on my wants, so you're just as bad.
I know you read the whole article, but I am not surprised you just cherry picked the info that sort of supports your argument. But you see I can read and others can too and we all know you cherry picked. I also know you read my response to fearandloathing which is right before your post.
Wow, is there anything you can't be wrong about!? I type up these replies from the email notifications, so no, I did not see your response before I posted. There might be more there right now that I haven't seen yet.
"Impersonating a police officer" covers a wide range of behaviors, from the wrong costume party at the wrong time to actually running around arresting people against their will.
You spin this any more you are going spin yourself right into the ground. Pulling over people while dressed in a real state troopers uniform with a flashing light on your car is a felony offense.
I'm not sure you understand what spinning is... but anyways, my statement is true regardless. And I haven't doubted that what Romney did could have been a felony (I noticed that you changed from calling it a felony to a felony offense). As I said in my first reply to you: what it can be ain't necessarily what it is.
We should already be past this point. Move it forward already. Your so fixated on everything else, that's why you can't debate. A guy that's running for president did something that could have been a felony. Ok, and?
Are you telling me that people are only charged with a felony after they are convicted? Come on your arguments are now getting sophomoric and rather silly.
Duh, I'm saying you haven't committed a felony until you're convicted. AFAIK, Romney is not a felon.
Your personal attacks have become so predictable and lame.
Then get over it and debate something already. Sheesh. You're practically worthless.

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Message 258 of 264 (665242)
06-10-2012 2:59 PM


Moderator Advisory
If an outbreak of politeness combined with constructive discussion doesn't begin soon there will be suspensions.

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Theodoric
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Message 259 of 264 (665245)
06-10-2012 3:57 PM
Reply to: Message 257 by New Cat's Eye
06-10-2012 11:05 AM


Amazing
Surprise, surprise it continues.
"wah, the mean guy on the internet called me names"
Surprisingly, very few people resort to name calling here or most places on the internet.
you say you're better than it and then immediately insult me Gosh you're dumb.
Not an insult, rather an observation from your comments and attitudes.
Are you saying you are not right wing, that you don't vote republican? Do you feel being called right wing or republican is an insult? I don't think being called left wing is an insult. And the dems are too conservative for me so I am not a democrat but being called one would not be an insult. I would just correct you.
Wow, is there anything you can't be wrong about!? I type up these replies from the email notifications, so no, I did not see your response before I posted. There might be more there right now that I haven't seen yet.
Well that seems to be a rather silly way to follow a thread. You miss alot of context if you just reply to without looking at context. To each his own. But I notice not only did you not respond to the fact of being caught cherry picking but you ignore it completely.
I'm not sure you understand what spinning is...
Sure do, do you?
but anyways, my statement is true regardless. And I haven't doubted that what Romney did could have been a felony (I noticed that you changed from calling it a felony to a felony offense). As I said in my first reply to you: what it can be ain't necessarily what it is.
Now you are going to argue semantics? You want to get all pedantic about felony versus felony offense. Ok you win. Whatever.
Duh, I'm saying you haven't committed a felony until you're convicted. AFAIK, Romney is not a felon.
I think your wrong, but then again I don't live in bizarro world. Again you are arguing semantics not the point that is being made.
Then get over it and debate something already. Sheesh. You're practically worthless.
Yet again a post from you full of personal attacks. You will see I did not have any personal attacks in my response it is actually quite easy you might want to give it a try.
I am attempting to debate but since all you seem to have are semantic arguments, slurs and personal attacks and refuse to actually address the actual points, I guess you are not here to debate.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Message 260 of 264 (665250)
06-10-2012 4:22 PM
Reply to: Message 259 by Theodoric
06-10-2012 3:57 PM


Re: Amazing
Good day, kind sir! It is a pleasure to have the opportunity for this exchange.
I am attempting to debate
Then get on with it already. What is your position here? Why are you replying to me? About the best I can muster is that you are unable to see how something that is a felony offense could be considered a prank. Is that it?
Here's the most recent position I've staked:
quote:
Assuming this is true, when are we allowed to come to the conclusion that this guy has a character problem?
When you've got more than bringing up old shit about pranks he pulled in college.
Or is this still too long ago to "count"?
Yes. What you did in college is not your character today.
Feel free to actaully address it with something more than incredulity towards it being able to be a prank.
Edited by Catholic Scientist, : forgot the politeness

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Theodoric
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Message 261 of 264 (665252)
06-10-2012 4:34 PM
Reply to: Message 260 by New Cat's Eye
06-10-2012 4:22 PM


Re: Amazing
Actually this debate is not all about you and your positions.
Then get on with it already. What is your position here? Why are you replying to me? About the best I can muster is that you are unable to see how something that is a felony offense could be considered a prank. Is that it?
Seems you have not followed at all the debate. I do not see where I or others have stated it was not a prank.
Also, you seem to have completely changed your argument and understand that it is a felony offense. Just because it is a prank does not make it excusable.
Yes. What you did in college is not your character today.
But it has an influence on my character today. This is not the only questionable self entitled behavior of Romney. Remember the premise of this thread. The impersonating a cop reinforces the FACT that romney mad many questionable choices on behaviour when he was college aged.
If he had done it once I would think it was nothing. That it was a pattern is concerning.
Now you are free to feel differently. If you want to hand wave this away that is your choice. I will not.
Feel free to actaully address it with something more than incredulity towards it being able to be a prank.
My point is pranks can be felonies.
Good day, kind sir! It is a pleasure to have the opportunity for this exchange.
Really??? Grow up.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Message 262 of 264 (665338)
06-12-2012 8:15 AM


Moderator Advisory
"I think we should just suspend them," says one moderator.
"I think there should be a warning first," says the other.
"They're long timers, they know the rules, they shouldn't need to be warned," says the first.
"Still," says the other.
If you guys are trying to see who can get closest to the edge of suspension I can save you the trouble and declare you over the edge right now. This thread has a topic, and it isn't each other.

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Jazzns
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Message 263 of 264 (665430)
06-13-2012 1:01 PM


Romney the Bully as Governor!
Maybe this will address the cries of illegitimacy over Romney's indescretion as a youth.
Mitt Romney’s administration stifled antibullying guide over language on bisexual, transgender youth - The Boston Globe
Former governor Mitt Romney's administration in 2006 blocked publication of a state antibullying guide for Massachusetts public schools because officials objected to use of the terms "bisexual'' and "transgender'' in passages about protecting certain students from harassment, according to state records and interviews with current and former state officials.
Romney aides said publicly at the time that publication of the guide had been delayed because it was a lengthy document that required further review. But an e-mail authored in May of that year by a high-ranking Department of Public Health official - and obtained last week by the Globe through a public records request - reflected a different reason.
"Because this is using the terms `bisexual' and `transgendered,' DPH's name may not be used in this publication,'' wrote the official, Alda Rego-Weathers, then the deputy commissioner of the Massachusetts Department of Public Health.
Because the Department of Public Health was the primary sponsor and funding source of the guide, the move effectively blocked its publication.
So here we have an official act square at the feet of a more than adult Romney, in his capacity as governor, in the effect of protecting bullies of LGBT people.
Moreover, I think this support for my original position that his actions as a young adult matter. They are demonstrative of an attitude that is discriminating that has colored his choices throughout his life.
I have never made a claim that people cannot change. But to say that our actions, even long ago are meaningless to our current selves is more than just a little disingenuous.

BUT if objects for gratitude and admiration are our desire, do they not present themselves every hour to our eyes? Do we not see a fair creation prepared to receive us the instant we are born --a world furnished to our hands, that cost us nothing? Is it we that light up the sun; that pour down the rain; and fill the earth with abundance? Whether we sleep or wake, the vast machinery of the universe still goes on. Are these things, and the blessings they indicate in future, nothing to, us? Can our gross feelings be excited by no other subjects than tragedy and suicide? Or is the gloomy pride of man become so intolerable, that nothing can flatter it but a sacrifice of the Creator? --Thomas Paine

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Message 264 of 264 (665447)
06-13-2012 3:14 PM
Reply to: Message 263 by Jazzns
06-13-2012 1:01 PM


Re: Romney the Bully as Governor!
So here we have an official act square at the feet of a more than adult Romney, in his capacity as governor, in the effect of protecting bullies of LGBT people.
Let's be accurate, he suppressed the entire guide, not just the passages he objected to. Rather than help LGBT people, he decided not to help anyone.

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