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Author Topic:   A test of your common sense
ringo
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Message 30 of 137 (665787)
06-17-2012 4:16 PM
Reply to: Message 26 by Taz
06-17-2012 2:22 PM


What we have here... is failure to communicate.
And you're going to have to answer to the Coca-Cola company for that.
My common sense - and if I had any, I probably wouldn't be wasting my time on this topic - tells me that the beam will break at B and C at the same time.
So let it be written. So let it be done.

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ringo
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Message 45 of 137 (665835)
06-18-2012 12:12 PM
Reply to: Message 41 by Heathen
06-18-2012 11:13 AM


Heathen writes:
To me, he is pointing out how people with little knowledge of a particular subject, apply their own "Common Sense" and, simply because they do not understand the subject/problem/question, declare it a nonsense.
Whatever his intention, what he is underlining is the fact that some people, even if they are brilliant scientists or engineers, are incapable of expressing themselves in English. Neither common sense nor technical expertise are of any value if the problem isn't stated clearly.
That is, indeed, one of the major problems in the creation/evolution debate.

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ringo
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Message 49 of 137 (665840)
06-18-2012 12:41 PM
Reply to: Message 47 by Taz
06-18-2012 12:23 PM


Taz writes:
I've found that only people who aren't too knowledgable in certain field would try to look for more details when in fact all necessary details have been given.
I didn't say anything about details.
I'm talking about your ability to convey the details that you did choose in a clear manner. In both words and pictures, you failed. As demonstrated, only another engineer can fathom what the hell you're talking about. Your method of communication is of no value in a debate with lay people.
Edited by ringo, : Splling.

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ringo
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Message 60 of 137 (665854)
06-18-2012 2:15 PM
Reply to: Message 54 by Taz
06-18-2012 1:38 PM


Taz writes:
Where on the long thing will the crack or breaking occur?
As I said earlier, common-sensibly I would expect it to break where the ladies are sitting.
Anecdotally, the exact same thing did happen to me once. The plank broke halfway between us, at the knot. Lackng a knot, I'll stick to my first answer.
Edited by ringo, : Splling - kyboard is skpping chracters.

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ringo
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Message 90 of 137 (665974)
06-20-2012 12:33 PM
Reply to: Message 84 by Taz
06-20-2012 10:52 AM


Taz writes:
What else do you need to know?
The point that you're trying so ineptly to make seems to be that creationists put their commn sense above the expert knowledge of professionals trained in the field.
Nobody here is doing that. We're not denying the expert conclusion. We don't know what it is. If you told us the answer and we rejected it in favour of our commn sense, then your point would be made.
What you're doing is the equivlent of laughing at creationists for not understanding evolution and at the same time, refusing to tell them anything about evolution.

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ringo
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Message 103 of 137 (666046)
06-21-2012 12:38 PM
Reply to: Message 94 by Taz
06-20-2012 5:57 PM


Taz writes:
I was just demonstrating how something that appears so simple can be so complex without proper training.
You also called it a, "normal everyday thing that most people deal with." If I'm deciding how many fat ladies my lawn furniture will hold, I'm not going to pay for an engineering feasibility study; I'm going to use my common sense, such as it is.

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ringo
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Message 105 of 137 (666051)
06-21-2012 1:57 PM
Reply to: Message 104 by Taz
06-21-2012 1:35 PM


Taz writes:
Something like this really does represent normal everyday thing.
Which is why common sense is used and waiting for expertise is impractical. Your example doesnt relate to the EvC debate at all.
Taz writes:
That's what normal everyday people do.
I won't admit to being normal but my answer was right, wasn't it? (To be fair, I have zero knowledge of engineering but I do have some experience in construction.)

ringo - the "i" stands for "infuriating".

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ringo
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Message 129 of 137 (666141)
06-22-2012 12:08 PM
Reply to: Message 109 by Taz
06-21-2012 5:35 PM


Taz writes:
What the members here did by insisting the diagram made no sense or didn't have enough info was overstepping their boundaries and trying to tell the 2 engineers here what's what.
Who did that? What I saw was people asking you for more information. Since when is asking for more information a bad thing? What do you think EvC is here for?
Taz writes:
Why do you think there are so many engineers who are creationists?
Apparently, it's because engineers are taught to think and argue like creationists.
Edited by ringo, : Added a smilie to reflect the kinder, gentler ringo.

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ringo
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Message 131 of 137 (666147)
06-22-2012 1:30 PM
Reply to: Message 130 by NoNukes
06-22-2012 1:09 PM


NoNukes writes:
Engineers are getting a bad rap.
I should have put in a smilie. I was just taking a cheap sot at Taz.
Edited by ringo, : Added signature.

"Perhaps I should be more clear." -- Taz

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