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Message 51 of 305 (664065)
05-28-2012 9:05 PM 		Reply to: Message 48 by zaius137
05-28-2012 8:54 PM

Re: Dark matter isn't much of a stretch
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However, the evidence is mounting that the Big Bang is total nonsense including all the contrivances of that theory. That is just an uneducated opinion on my part so some one here needs to convince me otherwise using the science.
"Never let ignorance get in the way of having an opinion."
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Message 84 of 305 (664616)
06-03-2012 4:35 AM 		Reply to: Message 81 by zaius137
06-03-2012 12:16 AM

Re: Dark matter is only the tip..
Maybe it will help if I point out your obvious mistake...
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zaius137 writes:
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The Higgs field is essential to the Big Bang...
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Shortly after the big bang...
If the Higgs boson was essential to the big bang, then it wouldn't be only applicable to particles after the big bang.
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Are you unable to see that your own quote doesn't support the Higgs boson being connected to the big bang?
Can you not see that it actually says the opposite?
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Message 88 of 305 (664650)
06-03-2012 10:20 PM 		Reply to: Message 87 by foreveryoung
06-03-2012 9:30 PM

Re: Dark matter is only the tip..
foreveryoung writes:
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What if there is no such thing as an electroweak force?, only electromagnetic forces and weak nuclear forces? What would happen to the big bang theory then?
Well...the electorweak epoch occurred after the Big Bang.
Knowing that, are you now able to figure out what affect it would have on the Big Bang?
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foreveryoung writes:
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For that matter, what would happen to the big bang theory if dark matter and dark energy were myths as well?
Dark Matter and Dark Energy have both been observed.
Your question is similar to asking "What would happen to cowboys if horses were myths?".
Sure, we can waste some time discussing an imaginary scenario - but it is not an actual argument.
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06-03-2012 11:55 PM 		Reply to: Message 89 by foreveryoung
06-03-2012 10:38 PM

Re: Dark matter is only the tip..
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How do you know that?
Because that is where the evidence leads us.
To quote Wiki:
"The physics of the electroweak epoch is less speculative and much better understood than the physics of previous periods of the early universe. The existence of W and Z bosons has been demonstrated, and other predictions of electroweak theory have been experimentally verified."
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foreveryoung writes:
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That all depends on whether the Big Bang was responsible for producing the electroweak force.
No it doesn't.
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foreveryoung writes:
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Observed or just wrongly concluded by misinterpreting the evidence?
Observed.
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foreveryoung writes:
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No it isn't.
Yes it is.
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foreveryoung writes:
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Why do you say it is imaginary?
When you make something up in your head, it is called imaginary.
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foreveryoung writes:
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It is no more imaginary than the big bang itself.
Correct.
Horses are no more imaginary than the Big Bang.
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foreveryoung writes:
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I didn't know that I was trying to make an argument.
Good. We are agreed that you have produced no arguments against the Big Bang.
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Message 92 of 305 (664679)
06-04-2012 1:11 AM 		Reply to: Message 91 by foreveryoung
06-04-2012 12:08 AM

Re: Dark matter is only the tip..
foreveryoung writes:
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So how in the world does that make you KNOW there was an electroweak epoch?
Because that is where the evidence leads.
Perhaps you would like to start screaming about evidence again?
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foreveryoung writes:
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How is that?
How is what?
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foreveryoung writes:
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I sincerely doubt that unless you have defined "observed" in a way that differs from what "observed" has traditionally been understood to mean.
Why do you doubt that it has been observed?
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foreveryoung writes:
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I am sorry you believe in fairy tales.
What makes you think that I am religious?
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foreveryoung writes:
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I didn't make anything up. Don't make false accusations.
You referred to "if dark matter and dark energy were myths" - which involves you making up that they don't exist.
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foreveryoung writes:
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You just previously stated it was imaginary. Make up your mind.
I have never said either were imaginary. Don't make false accusations.
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foreveryoung writes:
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What I did was show weaknesses in the big bang theory.
No you didn't. You were just asking random questions.
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foreveryoung writes:
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Until you can demonstrate that the electroweak force is a reality, and that dark matter and dark matter are indeed realities, then the real possibility of their non existence would throw the theory into serious danger.
It has been demonstrated that the electroweak interaction exists.
But if what was real was dependent on your understanding then there would be less than 3 things in reality.
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Message 110 of 305 (665162)
06-08-2012 9:22 PM 		Reply to: Message 107 by zaius137
06-08-2012 7:43 PM

Re: W and Z
zaius137 writes:
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Apparently from the WIKI.
Nice. You start off by calling me a liar.
I expected a little more from you, but I can't say I am surprised.
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zaius137 writes:
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Actually the total physics of the electroweak epoch is now in question since the Higgs Boson has not been discovered.
This is just some random conjecture by you.
It is also unrelated to my post.
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zaius137 writes:
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You see particle physics is about to be re-written. The BB is in very serious trouble. Now for God created to become the dominate view.
This is some more random conjecture by you.
And even your own links don't support your claims.
It is also unrelated to my post.
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Since the electroweak epoch is after the BB, the BB will not be affected by any changes to the electroweak epoch.
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Message 140 of 305 (665480)
06-13-2012 9:03 PM 		Reply to: Message 138 by zaius137
06-13-2012 8:32 PM

Re: Big Bang violates physics
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Universe expansion, at cosmological distances, has consequences that fail to obey a few key principles of our domestic physics; CONSERVATION of energy and CONSERVATION of mass caused by high relative velocity; CONSERVATION of momentum; CONSERVATION of gravitational potential energy.
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EzineArticles.com - Page not found
And Craig Hanks also thinks that the moon has no rotation...
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Message 171 of 305 (665907)
06-19-2012 3:28 PM 		Reply to: Message 170 by zaius137
06-19-2012 2:24 PM

Re: Big Bang violates physics
zaius137 writes:
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I would not want to delve into the deeper mathematics...
zaius137 writes:
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But find the explanation too basic.
Which ensures that you can ignore anything that contradicts your own personal opinions.
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Just sayin'.
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Message 190 of 305 (666194)
06-23-2012 8:55 PM 		Reply to: Message 189 by Chuck77
06-23-2012 8:10 PM

Re: Big Bang violates physics
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Could you provide some evidence for the big bang? Actual evidence that supports it. What actual evidence is there that makes it a better theory than other theories?
Since you seem unable to use Google, what makes you think you could understand the evidence supporting the BBT?
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Anyhoo, typing "evidence of the big bang" into Google provides this as the first result:
Evidence for the Big Bang
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Message 227 of 305 (666354)
06-26-2012 11:53 AM 		Reply to: Message 226 by Alfred Maddenstein
06-26-2012 9:58 AM

Re: Big Bang violates physics
Alfred Maddenstein writes:
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The Universe is an idea signifying all that exists.
If the universe only exists in my mind (i.e. it is just an idea) then why the fuck would I put a babbling idiot like you in it?
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