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Author Topic:   Creation cosmology and the Big Bang
Alfred Maddenstein
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Message 287 of 305 (666518)
06-28-2012 10:07 AM
Reply to: Message 284 by New Cat's Eye
06-28-2012 9:50 AM


Re: Relativity Doesn't Violate Relativity (that would be silly)
No, all points only to the observation that light is redshifted in a certain relation to the assumed cosmological distances. That is all. That distances are actually growing of themselves is an unsupported tall claim. Have you been there with a ruler to measure that? And how would you tell a chunk of space growing fast from another one with stunted growth?

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Alfred Maddenstein
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Message 292 of 305 (666524)
06-28-2012 11:00 AM
Reply to: Message 286 by vimesey
06-28-2012 10:07 AM


Re: Big Bang violates physics...
No, since the nature of the claim is most fantastic and the explanation offered is the least plausible one, any proper science must have had all other possible explanations of the phenomenon thoroughly exhausted before rushing into accepting such a proposition as gospel truth. The very opposite attitude is being observed. Cosmogonists clamour incessantly that it is indeed an echo of the baby universe and are markedly not interested in any other possibilities. That's circular striving to prove what is taken for granted already, so that's faith, not science.

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Alfred Maddenstein
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Message 296 of 305 (666529)
06-28-2012 11:22 AM
Reply to: Message 291 by Taq
06-28-2012 10:52 AM


Re: Relativity Doesn't Violate Relativity (that would be silly)
No, that's a very poor argument since that is taking for granted that the process called the universe is a synchronous closed system that can run out of something all at once. That's logically impossible so is not the case. The Universe is nether closed nor open. Only what can be opened can be closed. You confuse the Universe with a window. That's a fallacy.

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Alfred Maddenstein
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Message 299 of 305 (666535)
06-28-2012 11:41 AM
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06-28-2012 11:12 AM


Re: Big Bang violates physics...
No, there is no such thing possible as infinite mass or anything. Infinity is not a quantity. It only means that you can neither finish nor start counting. In the case you do start counting you cannot finish the process. A better concept to reflect that would be finite but uncountable. So no problem with Olber's paradox which is a red herring anyway used to support the big bunk creationism

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