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Straggler Member (Idle past 325 days) Posts: 10333 From: London England Joined: |
I think I agree with you that many of the old distinctions no longer apply. But I'm not sure that we live in any sort of meritocratic Nirvana either.
If anything social mobility seems to be declining and one's place in society increasingly dictated by situation at birth and the social position of one's parents. So I don't think we live in either a classless society or anything that can be really be called a genuine meritocracy.
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fearandloathing Member (Idle past 4404 days) Posts: 990 From: Burlington, NC, USA Joined: |
I understand now I think, sort of like Keeping Up Appearances? ( Love that show. )
A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves. ― Edward R. Murrow "You don't have to burn books to destroy a culture. Just get people to stop reading them" - Ray Bradbury
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Straggler Member (Idle past 325 days) Posts: 10333 From: London England Joined: |
"Keeping Up Appearances" is indeed a piss-take of many British middle class stereotypes. None of which - I think - particularly apply to me!!
My dad was an alcoholic, drug addicted, communist, can't-leave-the-sixties-behind local-demagogue-of-sorts for most of my upbringing. In his old age he has become a rather reactionary right-wing self-righteous old git (bless him). So whilst I take his accusations of middle-classness with a pinch of salt I also think: A) In many material respects he is correct that I am 'middle class' whatever aspects of my upbringing I might more self identify with. B) I might well be more 'middle class' in terms of attitudes than I might like to admit. C) He's my dad, he is a key contributor to what might be referred to as my 'world view' and I can't help but take some of the things he says more to heart than they probably deserve. Hence my question in the thread I guess.....
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ringo Member (Idle past 671 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Stragger writes:
I don't think there are any class boundaries. There isn't really a sense of wantng to "get out" of one's class. Getting a better job is a matter of getting an education, which can be a function of money. We don't have any "old money" in the West, where I live, but that may be a factor in the East. People may be trapped in a lower economic bracket because of their own decisions - e.g. having children too young - but not because of the circumstances of birth. So is Canada a classless society then? Unless you're aboriginal, which is a whole other story.
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fearandloathing Member (Idle past 4404 days) Posts: 990 From: Burlington, NC, USA Joined: |
I know the reason for you asking now, makes much more sense to me. My father was born in 1929, grew up poor, went and served in the USMC in Korea. He used his GI bill money to go to Elon College and get a business degree. He worked in Textiles as a supervisor til he retired. I am 40 and have never had the work ethic he think I should, he has referred to me as "white trash" more than once when we disagree.
Our stories are poles apart, ( an appropriate Floyd tune IMO) A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves. ― Edward R. Murrow "You don't have to burn books to destroy a culture. Just get people to stop reading them" - Ray Bradbury
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Straggler Member (Idle past 325 days) Posts: 10333 From: London England Joined: |
Wiki on social mobility writes: Several studies have been made comparing social mobility between developed countries. One such study (Do Poor Children Become Poor Adults?")[5][15][16] found that of nine developed countries, the United States and United Kingdom had the lowest intergenerational vertical social mobility with about half of the advantages of having a parent with a high income passed on to the next generation. The four countries with the lowest "intergenerational income elasticity", i.e. the highest social mobility, were Denmark, Norway, Finland, and Canada with less than 20% of advantages of having a high income parent passed on to their children. Link Canada certainly seems to be more meritocratic than the UK or the US.
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Phat Member Posts: 18653 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.2
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All I can say is that I'm glad that my Father made it easier for me, though some would argue that by making it easy, it made me less ambitious. I am of the firm belief that wealth should be passed down through the family, however. Tax the ones with over five million dollars of course. Leave the rest of us alone.
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johnmatyus  Suspended Junior Member (Idle past 4547 days) Posts: 5 Joined: |
Lower middle class. My dad's an accountant, but I went to a crappy inbred regular school.
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Modulous Member (Idle past 244 days) Posts: 7801 From: Manchester, UK Joined: |
Does it affect my working class credentials if I want to change the thread title to read 'To What Social Class Do You Belong?'
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jar Member (Idle past 99 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Should it not be "To which Social Class do you belong"?
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Modulous Member (Idle past 244 days) Posts: 7801 From: Manchester, UK Joined: |
Should it not be "To which Social Class do you belong"? I guess my credentials remain intact. I'm not sure if either is more correct, but I guess I have a preference for your version.
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jar Member (Idle past 99 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined: |
We could go so far as to phrase it as "What is the social class to which you belong"?
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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onifre Member (Idle past 3210 days) Posts: 4854 From: Dark Side of the Moon Joined:
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Tax the ones with over five million dollars of course. Leave the rest of us alone. Yeah those 4.9 million dollar guys are totally down to earth. - Oni
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Son Goku Inactive Member |
I don't really think we have the same class structure over here. I suppose from a British perspective my family would have been working class (farmers, I think that's working class), but it doesn't really mean anything in Ireland or have any of the connotations it has in Britain.
The whole "class" thing was the most cultural fascinating thing about England, for me, when I lived there. As an outsider it seemed really culturally rich, although you guys on the inside might have a different view. The closest I have is that I'm from a Bardic family, which still commands some respect in the Gaelic speaking areas.
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