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Dirk Member (Idle past 4314 days) Posts: 84 Joined:
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The Presidency in the US is really not so important that anyone in that position can cause really major catastrophic disasters.
I think there are quite a lot of people in the world (not necessarily in the US) who would disagree with that assessment. But otherwise I get the impression that the only reason Republicans haven't caused a "catastrophic disaster" yet is because they are usually followed by a Democratic president who gets to clean up the mess. And in that respect Obama still has a lot of work to do. As a European living in the US I just don't understand why Obama still isn't miles ahead of Romney. The Republicans (or at least the ones who make the most noise) are so obviously anti-poor-people, anti-women, anti-any-religion-except-christianity, anti-science and I probably forgot a few there; so why would anyone still want to vote for them (except the 1%)? They must have a really good marketing team (and a lot of money)... Edited by Dirk, : No reason given.
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jar Member (Idle past 129 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Well, in the US power is pretty much distributed so that no one body or person has full control. Even Congress, which holds most of the power, is limited by there being two different houses, the fact that a President must sign legislation and by the Supreme Court.
In the US it is easier to kill legislation than to pass legislation.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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frako Member Posts: 2932 From: slovenija Joined:
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They must have a really good marketing team (and a lot of money)...
Well that's what politics is all about, emphasising certain words, bullshit issues, and other method's are used to control the masses and make them do what you want to. Americans dint invent this they are just better at it and the population is a bit dumber and wilfully ignorant then most.
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Taq Member Posts: 10334 Joined: Member Rating: 6.4 |
But there are still a hell of a lot of people who continue to believe in the disinformation that the republican base have been putting out there. I suspect the problem is that they want to believe that the misinformation is true. They really are a lost cause. They just do not like Obama. Period. They will cling to anything that casts Obama in a poor light, even if it doesn't pass the sniff test. Of course, I could be dead wrong about your friend specifically, but it is an attitude that I see in the general populace (and amongst some of my own family members . . . ugh).
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Taq Member Posts: 10334 Joined: Member Rating: 6.4 |
As a European living in the US I just don't understand why Obama still isn't miles ahead of Romney. The Republicans (or at least the ones who make the most noise) are so obviously anti-poor-people, anti-women, anti-any-religion-except-christianity, anti-science and I probably forgot a few there; so why would anyone still want to vote for them (except the 1%)? Mainly because they pretend to be anti-secularists. There is still a very strident conservative christian streak in this country that sees secularism as Satan. People are willing to forgive policies that are detrimental to them as long as secularism does not win. I think it is instructive that we elected a black president before we elected an overtly atheist president.
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foreveryoung Member (Idle past 873 days) Posts: 921 Joined: |
Common Americans just dont elect Romney the world is gonna go down the road to another financial crisis if you do. Name one bush policy that lead to the financial crisis of 2008.
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Dirk Member (Idle past 4314 days) Posts: 84 Joined:
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Name one bush policy that lead to the financial crisis of 2008.
You could start here here. {Privite message sent concerning this message - Adminnemooseus} Edited by Adminnemooseus, : Note.
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foreveryoung Member (Idle past 873 days) Posts: 921 Joined:
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You could start here You could start by using your own mind and telling me one yourself. Edited by foreveryoung, : No reason given.
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nwr Member Posts: 6487 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: |
As a European living in the US I just don't understand why Obama still isn't miles ahead of Romney.
Racism is very deeply ingrained in many Americans.Jesus was a liberal hippie
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frako Member Posts: 2932 From: slovenija Joined: |
Remember this spectacular idea wasnt it, give the banks more wiggle room to lend pople money right what could ever go wrong? And in short term it worked people got money lots of it and as they had money they spent and spent like never before ok like back at the time of the stock market bubble. The economy grew like it did back then but there is one slight problem with bubbles they tend to burst. So then what happened some bloke just had to ask this mortgage that i bought how much is his house actually worth. Oh we gave that previously homeless still unemployed bloke 100 000$ to buy a 10 000$ house and the mortgage is secured by that 10 000$ shack. But hey you can buy a risk free pack of mortgages if you want where the house is worth more then the mortgage. Well tough luck sir it turned out when most people foreclosed in that neighbourhood that the value of the houses in perfectly risk free mortgage pack you bought youst dropped like a stone and thats not all since they figured out that they are paying a mortgage of a value of 300 000$ on their house but an identical house their neighbours owned is up for sale for 100 000$ they decided to stop paying and get the neighbours house instead. And what other splendid ideas did the deregulated financial institutions have, derivatives hell if anyone knows what they are but people traded with them like crazy, or how about a risk free buying of a almost bancrupt company gutting it completely and making money of of it. Hey its a grate policy if the company fails you have a profit, if it dosent you have a profit wonderful i wonder who payes for all this profit? Yea deregulating financial institutions was a splendid idea. And lets not talk about the tax cuts oil companies got you know the companies that where gaining more and more profit because the prices of oil sky-rocketed yea they deserve a little tax brake. And the filthy rich also deserve major tax cuts because they are job creators i love being called that a job creator if i dont get some tax cuts right now i might not create more jobs, or if i do i just might fire some people and use the money i gained from the tax cuts to automatizate positions i had to pay people to do. Do you know what's gonna happen if a noter republican comes to office i do, lets deregulate some more and cut taxes some more that's gona help the economy or at least its gonna fatten up my wallet a bit. And if it do sent we are TOO BIG TO FAIL anyway.
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foreveryoung Member (Idle past 873 days) Posts: 921 Joined: |
I can't believe you think the only reason people don't like obama is because of his race. There are very few people who don't like him for that reason, or at least I haven't run into those kind.
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foreveryoung Member (Idle past 873 days) Posts: 921 Joined: |
And what exactly did bush have to do with any of that?
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frako Member Posts: 2932 From: slovenija Joined: |
Did he preside over a widespread failure of regulation or did he not?
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1757 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
Bug frog, we were all sure Bush was going to lose to back in 2004. So the incumbent did better than it looked like he was going to in the polls (although within the statistical margin of error.) And that's supposed to make me feel worse about Obama, the incumbent, going into 2012? I don't follow.
Believe me, right now Romney scares the hell out of me. He's a buffoon. Even Republicans can't line up behind him. You brought up health care, but how are people going to blame Obama for the American Care Act and then line up to vote for the guy who enacted the exact same thing as governor? He's the single worst person to try to capitalize on what you think Obama's weakness is. I'm not saying we should be blase about this, but I think Obama's on top of this stuff.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1757 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined:
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Nobody is paying attention to this bain thing. If you look at the google news page and look up romney, you will not find anything regarding the bain date. What? I just did that and it's the first result, from the LA Times. Here's why it's a winner - there's no explanation of these filing discrepancies that makes Romney look good. Either he committed felony perjury and lied to the SEC, or he collected $100,000 every year to do no work for Bain Capital Inc. Perhaps you recall his remarks to the NAACP decrying those who sat around wanting "free stuff." It's not a complicated issue - people understand what it means to own a business - and Obama is hammering him with it. And it's working, according to the polls: the number of people who won't vote for Romney is increasing. I'm not saying Bain is his Kryptonite, but it's hard not to see the parallel here with the "Swift Boat" attacks against Kerry - take what your opponent says is his greatest strength and make it an albatross around his neck. Of course, the difference here is that Obama's Bain attacks are 100% accurate.
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