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Jon
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Message 46 of 311 (667915)
07-13-2012 4:09 PM
Reply to: Message 42 by crashfrog
07-13-2012 2:22 PM


It's a loan where the interest rate is a negative number instead of a positive one.
I don't see how my meaning is particularly unclear. You'll have to ask a more specific question, I guess.
There are different ways for a loan to have a negative interest rate. I'm trying to figure out which particular format of a 'loan where the interest rate is a negative number' it is you're talking about.
Are you talking about a nominally negative interest rate, or just a negative real interest rate?
Or perhaps something else?

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Jazzns
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Message 47 of 311 (667916)
07-13-2012 4:18 PM
Reply to: Message 45 by Jon
07-13-2012 4:05 PM


My post was about progressives that I feel need to be elected into or back into congress. It had nothing to do with a debate about gender discrimination in politics.
If Elizabeth Warren had a penis, I would still advocate for him to be elected the senator of Massachussets with the hope of being president someday.
Now, should I expect a reply from you concerning how I post too much about penises? Or is too much to ask that you read to understand the points being made rather than the words that were chosen to express those points?

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Jon
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Message 48 of 311 (667917)
07-13-2012 4:38 PM
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07-13-2012 4:18 PM


If Elizabeth Warren had a penis, I would still advocate for him to be elected the senator of Massachussets with the hope of being president someday.
Fair enough.
Or is too much to ask that you read to understand the points being made rather than the words that were chosen to express those points?
Is it possible to ignore the latter while still understanding the former?

Love your enemies!

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Taz
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Message 49 of 311 (667918)
07-13-2012 4:48 PM
Reply to: Message 29 by crashfrog
07-13-2012 8:22 AM


crashfrog writes:
He's a buffoon. Even Republicans can't line up behind him. You brought up health care, but how are people going to blame Obama for the American Care Act and then line up to vote for the guy who enacted the exact same thing as governor? He's the single worst person to try to capitalize on what you think Obama's weakness is.
I'm not saying we should be blase about this, but I think Obama's on top of this stuff.
You keep basing your argument on facts. If anything, we should be well aware by now that the American populace at large don't care about facts.
All they care about is this. There's a black guy in office. His health care reform is the single cause for all of society's problems.
There's a white guy running against the black guy. The white guy made hundreds of millions... may be he can show us how to become millionaires as well.
I'm sorry for my pessimistic view, but I just don't see how Obama could get through all the misinfo, racism, and people's ignorance.
Don't forget that Romney has a lead on Obama in term of political donations. He's like $30 million ahead.
And I firmly believe nothing will result from the subway and bain things in regard to Romney. Again, if I didn't know what to look for I wouldn't have found it. Almost nobody in the press is covering it.

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Jon
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Message 50 of 311 (667919)
07-13-2012 4:56 PM
Reply to: Message 49 by Taz
07-13-2012 4:48 PM


All they care about is this. There's a black guy in office. His health care reform is the single cause for all of society's problems.
Anything other than your visit with sis to back this up?

Love your enemies!

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crashfrog
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Message 51 of 311 (667921)
07-13-2012 5:07 PM
Reply to: Message 46 by Jon
07-13-2012 4:09 PM


Are you talking about a nominally negative interest rate, or just a negative real interest rate?
Why didn't you say so in the first place? Negative real.
Honestly, Jon, the things you do are just so goddamned stupid sometimes. Why not stop assuming that we can all read your mind?

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crashfrog
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Message 52 of 311 (667923)
07-13-2012 5:28 PM
Reply to: Message 49 by Taz
07-13-2012 4:48 PM


If anything, we should be well aware by now that the American populace at large don't care about facts.
No, but they won't just believe anything at all. I think you need to stop and explain why you think that Romney has an apparently unlimited ability to control the thoughts of the American voter but Obama doesn't.
His health care reform is the single cause for all of society's problems.
You talked to some highly educated idiots; why do you think that Romney or anybody else will be able to convince Americans that this is the case? Because they'll say it over and over? In the meantime, people are starting to notice the upsides of the ACA as they come online.
Obama will say over and over that Romney is a potential felon who perjured himself in filings to the SEC, and therefore represents everything wrong with Wall Street, which now has a lower approval rating than Congress.
I mean, certainly Romney will attack Obama. Obama will attack Romney. Why are you so certain that they'll believe Romney and not Obama, when the reverse seems to be true?
Almost nobody in the press is covering it.
Come on. You're just being stupid. Look, Bain is on the front page of half a dozen of today's national newspapers: The Seattle Times, The Plain Dealer, the grey lady, the strib, the Boston Globe, WaPo, maybe even your local paper (I don't know where you live.) Like, click one of those at random.

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ooh-child
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Message 53 of 311 (667926)
07-13-2012 5:31 PM
Reply to: Message 49 by Taz
07-13-2012 4:48 PM


I don't think there are as many racist voters as you seem to think. Sure, there's gonna be some southern states that will stay red due to race issues, but overall Obama is polling very high when it comes to the 'likeability' factor.
Obama Does Not Always Get Good Job Ratings but His Likeability May Be the Key to a Win
"This 2012 election may, in fact, be the most personality-driven in recent memory. For several presidential election cycles now, Pew has been asking voters why they support their favored candidate: Leadership, Experience, Stand on Issues, or Personality. Among Romney supporters, 4 percent cite personality, the same percentage as cited it for Al Gore in 2000. For John McCain in 2008, the figure was 3 percent. For George W. Bush and John Kerry in 2004, it was 8 percent each. For Obama this year, it’s 18 percent."
Most people aren't even paying attention right now - when the conventions start gearing up, that's when folks will begin to form their opinions about Romney. Voters have had 4 years to get to like Obama.
A question - if Hillary Clinton had won the White House instead of Obama, would we be discussing the misogyny running rampant in the Republican party, and not the racism?

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Jazzns
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Message 54 of 311 (667927)
07-13-2012 5:45 PM
Reply to: Message 48 by Jon
07-13-2012 4:38 PM


Is it possible to ignore the latter while still understanding the former?
Yes. 100% of my post was talking about plight of progressivism in politics. The words 'first female president' had nothing to do with starting an argument about women vs men being better at whatever.
That sub-theme is something that originated in your imagination. My post was something like 200 words of me NOT making an argument about gender politics.

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Jon
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Message 55 of 311 (667928)
07-13-2012 5:46 PM
Reply to: Message 51 by crashfrog
07-13-2012 5:07 PM


Why didn't you say so in the first place? Negative real.
And how exactly would it be negative real interest?

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Taz
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Message 56 of 311 (667929)
07-13-2012 5:46 PM
Reply to: Message 50 by Jon
07-13-2012 4:56 PM


Jon writes:
Anything other than your visit with sis to back this up?
I've recently started a business on the side. Brings in extra income. What I do is buy broken electronics, fix them, and resell them. I also pay home visits to repair people's tv's, computers, laptops, tablets, phones, audio system, etc.
What I've learned from the short time that I've been doing my business is this. Most people can't think beyond what they see. They will associate things together just because of pure coincidence.
For example, I recently repaired someone's home PC. About a week later, I got a call from the same guy. He blamed me for not being able to connect to the internet on his laptop, even though I never touched his laptop. He said everything else could connect to the home wifi but I somehow caused his laptop to not be able to connect. Well, it turned out he had accidentally switched off the wifi switch on his laptop.
Or here's a more general case. People tend to go out and buy earthquake insurance right after an earthquake and tend to forget about it over time when in reality it should be the other way around.
People associate random things together just because they can't see any deeper than what they can see. I've seen plenty of this.
And right now, the single most change talked about is the healthcare reform. It's people's nature to associate it with everything that is bad. Remember that people tend to ignore the good things but pay very close attention to the bad things.
Again, Cat is one of the largest corporations in the world. And the people running it have a gross misunderstanding of what the healthcare reform says. Not only that, they are also using the healthcare reform as an excuse for the problems they are having with the union striking right now.

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Taz
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Message 57 of 311 (667930)
07-13-2012 5:51 PM
Reply to: Message 52 by crashfrog
07-13-2012 5:28 PM


crashfrog writes:
You talked to some highly educated idiots; why do you think that Romney or anybody else will be able to convince Americans that this is the case?
Because he's white and he's rich, and if you elect him you will be rich as well.
I forgot to mention that both my wife and I came from kinda racist families. My dad, for example, will never admit in a million years that he's racist, but if you talk with him for a while you will begin to pick up that he's got a very low view of blacks and latinos. I know how closeted racists act and talk. And the worst part is I see them all the time.
Obama's advantage last time was that a lot of people weren't willing to hand the country over to a 70 year old guy with a dumbass VP. This time is different. Now, we got a white rich guy who's willing to share his secrets on how to get rich with you *wink wink*.
If you can't tell, I'm freaking out. I'm genuinely scared.

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crashfrog
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Message 58 of 311 (667931)
07-13-2012 6:34 PM
Reply to: Message 57 by Taz
07-13-2012 5:51 PM


If you can't tell, I'm freaking out. I'm genuinely scared.
And I'm trying to talk you down from the ledge. Affluent white people are an increasingly diminished fraction of the electorate.
Obama's advantage last time was that a lot of people weren't willing to hand the country over to a 70 year old guy with a dumbass VP.
Obama's advantage last time was that one party was serious about addressing real problems and the other party was manifestly unserious. That hasn't changed at all. Now that it's coming out that Romney isn't just the affable android everybody thought he was but an actual crook, that's even more the case. Romney is going to shoot himself in the foot because, time after time, Obama is there to hand them the gun.
He's the single most effective politician in our lifetimes, Taz. This is Romney's third bid for President, and he was only able to move to the front of the pack after Cain, Perry, Santorum, and Gingrich had had their moment in the sun. The guy's just a flat-out loser. He's another Bob Dole.
Obama is at least 7 points ahead of Romney in national polls and he hasn't even started campaigning yet.

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Message 59 of 311 (667937)
07-13-2012 7:56 PM
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07-13-2012 5:51 PM


If you can't tell, I'm freaking out. I'm genuinely scared.
Just calm down.
There's a good chance that Romney's campaign will implode before November.

Jesus was a liberal hippie

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Message 60 of 311 (667941)
07-14-2012 1:30 AM
Reply to: Message 33 by Jazzns
07-13-2012 10:37 AM


The repeal of depression era regulations that created the bubble in Bush's term was actually passed at the end of the Clinton administration. A democratic signature on bills crafted by republicans for the express purpose of allowing the recklessness that happened.
Was it recklessness that caused the financial collapse or was it introduction of sub prime lending in the nineties and the pressure put on banks to lend to people who had no business borrowing money that caused it? Banks are going to make a profit regardless. If you force them to lend to bad credit risks, they will find a way to cover that risk. Fannie mae and freddie mac were guaranteeing these bad loans. Who was responsible for that policy? To me, these factors were far more responsible for the collapse than the deregulation of the 90's or allowing banking execs to be regulators. Bush did see the looming problems and tried to reign in freddie mae and fannie mac but democrats in congress stopped him in his tracks.

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