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Buzsaw
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Message 226 of 415 (668192)
07-18-2012 7:04 AM
Reply to: Message 211 by New Cat's Eye
07-17-2012 10:43 AM


Re: Your God's Book Purposefully Deceives?
CS writes:
What about me? I accept evolution, yet I believe in god, and I know that Genesis is wrong. Am I an evolutionist?
If you believe the evolution nonsense, of course you're an evolutionist.
If you claim to believe in the god of the Bible, yet have the notion that this god's holy book is full of lies and falsehoods, your belief is still nonsensical. What true god would inspire a manual full of falsehoods for it's intelligent created beings to live by?

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.
Someone wisely said something ;ike, "Before fooling with a fool, make sure the fool is a fool."

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Message 227 of 415 (668195)
07-18-2012 7:36 AM
Reply to: Message 226 by Buzsaw
07-18-2012 7:04 AM


Re: Your God's Book Purposefully Deceives?
Buz writes:
What true god would inspire a manual full of falsehoods for it's intelligent created beings to live by?
You got it in one Buz.

Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android

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Message 228 of 415 (668197)
07-18-2012 9:11 AM
Reply to: Message 226 by Buzsaw
07-18-2012 7:04 AM


Re: Your God's Book Purposefully Deceives?
What true god would inspire a manual full of falsehoods for it's intelligent created beings to live by?
Buz for once you got it right.
Since we can show your version of the bible is full of falsehoods then we can agree there is no true god.
You said it yourself Buz.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Message 229 of 415 (668200)
07-18-2012 9:42 AM
Reply to: Message 212 by marc9000
07-17-2012 8:09 PM


Re: What's the purpose here?
They could only be convinced of that if they thought that one time dimension and three space dimensions were all there is to reality.
Couldn't someone be convinced of that by the fact that three-dimensional spacetime is all that there's evidence for?
Christians believe there is more to reality.
And Second-Day Adventist Brain-in-Jars believe that there's even less - substantially less - to reality. If you believe that it's the responsibility of evidence not to contradict belief, then you've turned the relationship between evidence and belief on its head.
So by claiming something as universally true, without admitting that it’s only a belief within one limited worldview, it makes it highly probable that it is in fact an agenda to turn people against God.
So, let me get this straight - your position is that observable reality is a conspiracy to turn people against God?

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 230 of 415 (668201)
07-18-2012 9:49 AM
Reply to: Message 220 by marc9000
07-17-2012 9:03 PM


Re: What's the purpose here?
What about me? I accept evolution, yet I believe in god, and I know that Genesis is wrong. Am I an evolutionist?
Why yes, I would say you probably are!
Well when you say things like this:
quote:
It depends, as always, on the definition of evolution that the atheist wants to use at any given time.
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Does it mean, common descent-Genesis is wrong-there is no God? — as it almost always does?
It sounds like you're equating evolutionism with atheism.
And there's plenty of thiests who accept evolution so you can't really say that evolutionism almost always means that there is not God.

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 231 of 415 (668203)
07-18-2012 10:08 AM
Reply to: Message 226 by Buzsaw
07-18-2012 7:04 AM


Re: Your God's Book Purposefully Deceives?
If you believe the evolution nonsense, of course you're an evolutionist.
I was asking marc because he seemed to equate evolutionism with atheism.
If you claim to believe in the god of the Bible, yet have the notion that this god's holy book is full of lies and falsehoods, your belief is still nonsensical.
Well I don't claim to "believe in the god of the Bible"... there is no one "god of the Bible". And the Bible is just a book, it doesn't constrain god. God is greater than the Bible.
What true god would inspire a manual full of falsehoods for it's intelligent created beings to live by?
We're not intended to "live by the Bible". Christ instructed us to love god and love each other. That's all we're intended to do.
And you don't even live by the Bible. There's plenty of old testament stuff in there that you just ignore.

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herebedragons
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Message 232 of 415 (668209)
07-18-2012 11:50 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Dr Adequate
05-04-2012 3:13 PM


This has probably already been mentioned, but it seems that creationists have retreated to their own forums where they can control the content and limit the opposition's contribution. That way they can suggest any nonsense they wish and then sit around and pat each other on the back for their superior intellect and the imminent destruction of atheistic evolution.
Every once in a while, one will feel especially confident and spread his (or her) wings and set out into the world, then they end up here ... but only for a short time.
There wasn't much going on here, so I have spent some time over at evolution fairytale. What a joke! Not one good thing I can say so far. I expect to get banned soon.
HBD

Whoever calls me ignorant shares my own opinion. Sorrowfully and tacitly I recognize my ignorance, when I consider how much I lack of what my mind in its craving for knowledge is sighing for. But until the end of the present exile has come and terminated this our imperfection by which "we know in part," I console myself with the consideration that this belongs to our common nature. - Francesco Petrarca

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Message 233 of 415 (668212)
07-18-2012 11:57 AM
Reply to: Message 232 by herebedragons
07-18-2012 11:50 AM


As have conservatives, who now retreat into their own media bubble & pat themselves on the back for pointing out Obama's socialism. Ther also seems to be a considerable overlap with these two groups. Coincidence?

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herebedragons
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Message 234 of 415 (668215)
07-18-2012 12:34 PM
Reply to: Message 233 by ooh-child
07-18-2012 11:57 AM


I would say that yes there is a considerable overlap in the two groups. But, I would not be willing to say there is a connection between being a creationist and being a conservative. In seems that what both groups do have in common (especially where they overlap) is that they are unwilling to let go of the past and realize that we are now in a new era. There are new social forces and new social needs. We have also greatly advanced in what we know about the world and how it works. These folks want to cling to the "good old days" when all was right with the world. But in my opinion, the "good old days" really weren't all that good.
HBD

Whoever calls me ignorant shares my own opinion. Sorrowfully and tacitly I recognize my ignorance, when I consider how much I lack of what my mind in its craving for knowledge is sighing for. But until the end of the present exile has come and terminated this our imperfection by which "we know in part," I console myself with the consideration that this belongs to our common nature. - Francesco Petrarca

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 235 of 415 (668217)
07-18-2012 1:04 PM
Reply to: Message 234 by herebedragons
07-18-2012 12:34 PM


I would say that yes there is a considerable overlap in the two groups. But, I would not be willing to say there is a connection between being a creationist and being a conservative.
Well, have you ever seen a liberal creationist?
I think you should say it the other way: there isn't a connection between being a conservative and being a creationist.
In seems that what both groups do have in common (especially where they overlap) is that they are unwilling to let go of the past and realize that we are now in a new era. There are new social forces and new social needs. We have also greatly advanced in what we know about the world and how it works.
I think its a good idea to keep a good grip on the reins and keep an eye on where you're going. I don't mind progressing socially, but I don't like the rashness that I tend to see in the left. I think its good to have a conservative side to keep things in check. The progress is unavoidable, but the speed can be tampered.
These folks want to cling to the "good old days" when all was right with the world. But in my opinion, the "good old days" really weren't all that good.
They always seem to forget that them good ol' days are what lead to these days here.

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Message 236 of 415 (668219)
07-18-2012 1:41 PM
Reply to: Message 234 by herebedragons
07-18-2012 12:34 PM


herebedragons writes:
But, I would not be willing to say there is a connection between being a creationist and being a conservative.
quote:
I never meant to say that the Conservatives are generally stupid. I meant to say that stupid people are generally Conservative. -- John Stuart Mill (link)
Paraphrasing: I wouldn't say that creationists tend to be ignorant but I would say that ignorant people tend to be creationists. I think there's a tentative connection there.

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herebedragons
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Message 237 of 415 (668223)
07-18-2012 4:30 PM
Reply to: Message 235 by New Cat's Eye
07-18-2012 1:04 PM


Well, have you ever seen a liberal creationist?
I think you should say it the other way: there isn't a connection between being a conservative and being a creationist.
Good point! Consider my original post amended!
I think its a good idea to keep a good grip on the reins and keep an eye on where you're going. I don't mind progressing socially, but I don't like the rashness that I tend to see in the left. I think its good to have a conservative side to keep things in check. The progress is unavoidable, but the speed can be tampered.
So would you say that's moderate?
Part of the difficulty I have is that I am unsure of what "conservative" and "liberal" really mean anymore. I used to think that liberal meant big government and conservative meant less government. It seems that now they both mean big government just serving different interests. I tend to favor less government involvement, in particular less government bureaucracy.
They always seem to forget that them good ol' days are what lead to these days here.
Yea, and then blame the previous administration for the problems and promise the new administration will deliver. Then repeat cycle, new players.

Whoever calls me ignorant shares my own opinion. Sorrowfully and tacitly I recognize my ignorance, when I consider how much I lack of what my mind in its craving for knowledge is sighing for. But until the end of the present exile has come and terminated this our imperfection by which "we know in part," I console myself with the consideration that this belongs to our common nature. - Francesco Petrarca

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Buzsaw
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Message 238 of 415 (668228)
07-18-2012 5:18 PM


Re: Your God's Book Purposefully Deceives?
How does this all relate to the thread topic pertaining to EvC's creationist shortage? Perhaps it pertains to how many evolutionists and non-biblical so called creationist members hypocriticly treat Biblical, (I say Biblical) creationists. You evolutionists claim the best from both POVs, so as to allow yourselves the advtage over the bonafide Bible believing creationsts.
We who hold to the accuracy of the Genesis record and other miraculous allegements in the Bible are not afforded that advantage. We could in no way believe the Genesis record and claim to believe evolution nonsense.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.
Someone wisely said something ;ike, "Before fooling with a fool, make sure the fool is a fool."

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 239 of 415 (668230)
07-18-2012 5:27 PM
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07-18-2012 5:18 PM


Re: Your God's Book Purposefully Deceives?
Perhaps it pertains to how many evolutionists and non-biblical so called creationist members hypocriticly treat Biblical, (I say Biblical) creationists. You evolutionists claim the best from both POVs, so as to allow yourselves the advtage over the bonafide Bible believing creationsts.
Do you really think we're conspiring? Really!?
I was just being honest, buz, I'm not working with any of the other members to get any kind of advantage or anything.

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Message 240 of 415 (668231)
07-18-2012 5:29 PM
Reply to: Message 238 by Buzsaw
07-18-2012 5:18 PM


Re: Your God's Book Purposefully Deceives?
Do you have any evidence to present Buz?
And boards evolve. If all the Creationists stop coming it is no loss, just Natural Selection.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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