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Those kids did seem to prove him wrong though.The kids did not get any help from the goverment or any one else. All they had, was their parents, who invested in their business, without expecting any money back. And provided them with equipment, instructions, raw material and did ad service in the neighboorhood for them.But no damn goverment helped them succed!That the parents used goverment infrastructure etc. to make all this happen... we don't need to talk about that.

There was a TV program where the inhabitants of a street chose to live without any council/government support.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b011dj30
It didn't take long for them to realise how much work was involved.Everything, from street lighting to rubbish collection, needed to be done by the residents.(It isn't the best of documentary/reality shows, but it does show how much is done by government.)

Why didn't Newt think of that? "No, I never committed adultery ... I divorced my wives retroactively."

Shouldn't they be thanking god for their successful businesses instead of themselves?I own a business that I recently created out of my own damn money. As much pride as I have, I fully admit that the government made my business possible. How the hell else am I going to get to my clients and job sites if not driving on the American highway system?

And you guys were so optimistic. Obama will be outspent by Romney.Error 404 (Not Found)!!1

And of course those kids mixed and poured and formed the concrete sidewalk to allow pedestrians to reach their stand ...Plus the US government (and state governments etc) create and maintain the environment where the US economy thrives.Kids in Siria are not out on sidewalks selling lemonade.In fact the US government is the biggest investor in any US business because we/they invest trillions annually to create and maintain the economic environment that makes business possible in the US.Without the US government there would be no US economy.Enjoy

And a government without marxists running the show forming regulations with an anti business attitude, would help the US economy to be at least 10 times bigger than it is. And the government is the biggest killer of small businesses and the biggest cause of poverty in this country. The trillions they invest mostly takes money out of productive hands and puts it into non productive hands who do nothing but create demand. Other than roads, bridges, schools and other infrastructure, the money is put into non productive means. It does nothing to create an environment for business; all it does is provide demand for the economy. All demand and no productivity equals low standard of living and greater levels of poverty in the end.Edited by foreveryoung, : No reason given.

Hi foreveryoung, sorry to disagree. Last time I looked at the facts it was big business capitalists that were forming the regulations - you got any evidence of marxists (a) in government or (b) making regulations? Which is, of course just your opinion, not the conclusion of any economic study.What you think you want is a government with no regulations ... I call that anarchist. Again, last time I looked it was big money banks that were closing down small businesses and foreclosing on the properties and assets.So again you need to provide evidence of government actually killing small business.I am one, and I see many avenues of help from the government. Which is, of course just your opinion, not the conclusion of any economic study.The #1 cause of poverty is not having a working\living wage, something that the government has been trying to do something about, while big business has been trying to make it even worse. You mean the TARP money that went to big bankers pockets and did not create a single job, and instead allowed them to close more jobs down and foreclose on more homes and small businesses? Then I agree -- that plus the big tax give away have had the worst effect on low and middle incomes than any other government policy.But again this was big corporation big money running the show, not your fantasy "marxists" Curiously, that actually improves the economy -- you need to have buyers to have an economy. Funny thing is that when people buy stuff that means that someone else's job is being paid for. ... and a peaceful environment maintained by police, fire departments, and yes, even the military that ensures we are not at war within the US ...Yes that would be trillions of dollars invested into all the small, medium, large and huge businesses operating within the US economy. Which is, of course just your opinion, not the conclusion of any economic study. But there isn't NO productivity, is there. People certainly are buying things every day and those things don't appear magically in stores, nor are they magically acquired without salespeople and delivery people and productive people.Funny thing is, not everyone needs to be productive in an economy for it to thrive. For many years it was common for one member of a family to work, while others stayed at home and consumed. This was enabled by having a (relatively) decent wage for work done.The economy is improved by the movement of money, and that means consumption as well as production. If production does not meet demand then there is opportunity for production to expand.Shipping jobs overseas (done by big business capitalists, not "marxists") result in loss of jobs here.So I would love to see some evidence to support your assertions, but I don't think I will get it: republicans generally do not work with facts and evidence.Enjoy.

How would the economy be "ten times bigger than it is" without ten times as many dollars to circulate, and where would that extra 900% quantitative easing come from, if not from the very government whose monetary and fiscal policies you think cause inflation? But we want demand. Economies are driven by demand. The recession was caused by a one trillion dollar shortfall in demand, due to an enormous amount of money (which had been converted into home equity) completely evaporating from the economy. We're still a trillion dollars behind from catching up to where we should have been if the recession hadn't happened. So? We're not at the point where we need production. We didn't have a supply shock; we had a demand shock. There's plenty of unused productive capacity in the American economy precisely because of the shortfall in demand.This isn't, honestly, all that difficult to understand. Demand is the environment for business. You don't go into business because you're rich; you go in because there's a demand for what you propose to sell.

We're being Poe'd aren't we. No reasonably educated adult could be this wrong about how the economy works. Could they?

I believe anyone who gets their news from FoxNews shares this same opinion. This is the "new" angle they're pitching. Foreveryoung just proves that he's a good listener to whatever they spout on that channel. It's almost word for word quotes from snippets of FoxNews dialogue.- OniEdited by onifre, : No reason given.

And just what do you think motivates people to produceyou know, create jobs?It certainly isn't a whole lot of people sitting around not wanting to buy their product.

Foreveryoung is as I recall a young college student, around 18 or 19 years old.See my sig for what can happen when a young person from a conservative background reads Atlas Shrugged.

Do you happen to own your own business? The reason I ask is because I happen to own my own business. Aside from my day job, I run a business that profits more than I originally thought it would. If I had more time to run my business, I'd be making much much more with it. In fact, someone has already suggested I quit my engineering day job to expand my business. But for now, I'm perfectly happy with it bringing in about $1200 to 1500 a week. Before I started, I was counting on it to only give me back 300-500. That would have made me happy. What resulted was there was way way more demand than I had anticipated.Honestly, I don't know where the hell you got this crap from. How the hell are businesses suppose to prosper if there's less demand?Added by edit.I don't understand how you people can curse Obama and endorse Romney even though he's responsible for thousands of people's livelihoods. Don't get me wrong, I like making profits. Before I owned my own business, I never understood why people were so immersed in making profits with their businesses. Now that what I do directly affects how much money I bring in, I've become addicted to spending what little time I have working on my business. It's addicting, actually. You actually get high knowing how much you invested and how much return you got.That said, I would never bring myself to ruining people's lives just so I could make a profit. In fact, my business directly helps people to be more productive.It boggles my mind that people like you hate other people so much.Edited by Taz, : No reason given.Edited by Taz, : No reason given.

Evidently everybody here is a brainwashed marxist. Too much higher education without questioning your marxist profs will do that to you. When you firmly believe that the physical world is all there is to reality, I guess marxism is an easily swallowed pill. The hatred for creationism on this board and the full board marxism of the members here seem to go hand in hand.