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jar
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Message 136 of 311 (668396)
07-20-2012 2:45 PM
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07-20-2012 2:25 PM


Conservative comments.
I thought a few comments from Republicans might help you.
quote:
"Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration."
"Now, this means that our government, national and State, must be freed from the sinister influence or control of special interests. Exactly as the special interests of cotton and slavery threatened our political integrity before the Civil War, so now the great special business interests too often control and corrupt the men and methods of government for their own profit. We must drive the special interests out of politics. That is one of our tasks to-day. Every special interest is entitled to justice -full, fair, and complete -and, now, mind you, if there were any attempt by mob-violence to plunder and work harm to the special interest, whatever it may be, and I most dislike and the wealthy man, whomsoever he may be, for whom I have the greatest contempt, I would fight for him, and you would if you were worth your salt. He should have justice. For every special interest is entitled to justice, but not one is entitled to a vote in Congress, to a voice on the bench, or to representation in any public office. The Constitution guarantees protections to property, and we must make that promise good But it does not give the right of suffrage to any corporation. The true friend of property, the true conservative, is he who insists that property shall be the servant and not the master of the commonwealth; who insists that the creature of man's making shall be the servant and not the master of the man who made it. The citizens of the United States must effectively control the mighty commercial forces which they have themselves called into being."
"There can be no effective control of corporations while their political activity remains. To put an end to it will be neither a short nor an easy task, but it can be done."
"We must have complete and effective publicity of corporate affairs, so that people may know beyond peradventure whether the corporations obey the law and whether their management entitles them to the confidence of the public. It is necessary that laws should be passed to prohibit the use of corporate funds directly or indirectly for political purposes; it is still more necessary that such laws should be thoroughly enforced. Corporate expenditures for political purposes, and specially such expenditures by public-service corporations, have supplied one of the principal sources of corruption in our political affairs."
Theodore Roosevelt
I hope this help you move away from the fascist current GOP and back towards the morality of the Grand Old Party.
Edited by jar, : fix line-breaks

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Jon
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Message 137 of 311 (668397)
07-20-2012 3:06 PM
Reply to: Message 130 by foreveryoung
07-20-2012 2:15 PM


Re: BAIN
people don't give a dam about any evidence that doesn't agree with them
A fact of life best evidenced by...
you.

Love your enemies!

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RAZD
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Message 138 of 311 (668403)
07-20-2012 6:04 PM
Reply to: Message 120 by foreveryoung
07-20-2012 1:56 PM


cognitive dissonance again
Hi foreveryoung
Evidently everybody here is a brainwashed marxist. ...
One of the first reactions to cognitive dissonance - where people are presented with evidence that contradicts their belief - is to attack the messenger and issue a stream of ad hominem statements.
Cognitive dissonance - (Wikipedia, 2010)
Cognitive dissonance is an uncomfortable feeling caused by holding two contradictory ideas simultaneously. The theory of cognitive dissonance proposes that people have a motivational drive to reduce dissonance by changing their attitudes, beliefs, and behaviors, or by justifying or rationalizing them.[2] It is one of the most influential and extensively studied theories in social psychology.
A powerful cause of dissonance is an idea in conflict with a fundamental element of the self-concept, such as "I am a good person" or "I made the right decision". The anxiety that comes with the possibility of having made a bad decision can lead to rationalization, the tendency to create additional reasons or justifications to support one's choices. A person who just spent too much money on a new car might decide that the new vehicle is much less likely to break down than his or her old car. This belief may or may not be true, but it would reduce dissonance and make the person feel better. Dissonance can also lead to confirmation bias, the denial of disconfirming evidence, and other ego defense mechanisms.
underline added
This is actually but the tip of the iceberg on how cognitive dissonance affects peoples behavior and reactions to contradictory information.
quote:
Attacking the Person
(argumentum ad hominem)
:
Definition:
The person presenting an argument is attacked instead of the argument itself. This takes many forms. For example, the person's character, nationality or religion may be attacked. ...
There are three major forms of Attacking the Person:
1. ad hominem (abusive): instead of attacking an assertion, the argument attacks the person who made the assertion.
...
The only way to end cognitive dissonance is to pursue the truth without bias and discarding a priori beliefs that are not supported by evidence.
Good Luck

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Message 139 of 311 (668406)
07-20-2012 6:58 PM
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07-20-2012 1:56 PM


Evidently everybody here is a brainwashed marxist. Too much higher education without questioning your marxist profs will do that to you.
Take some time off from your geology studies. In that interval, take a class in Marxism.
Once you find out what Marxism really is, you might discover that you have been brainwashed with a huge pile of bullshit.
In particular, you might discover that there are very few Marxist professors.
Just because somebody is not a raving lunatic right winger, it does not follow that they are Marxists.

Jesus was a liberal hippie

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Message 140 of 311 (668409)
07-20-2012 7:10 PM
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07-20-2012 1:56 PM


foreveryoung writes:
Evidently everybody here is a brainwashed marxist.
Orthodox or Revisionist?

CRYSTALS!!

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ooh-child
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Message 141 of 311 (668411)
07-20-2012 7:41 PM
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07-20-2012 2:01 PM


Re: BAIN
FY -
I've PM'd you to continue our discussion. I'm sorry I lost our internet at work today so I couldn't see what was happening here.
Calm down, 'kay? Keep your head for the more important questions you have.
Go back to the HB thread - I'm asking nicely.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 142 of 311 (668413)
07-20-2012 9:22 PM
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07-14-2012 3:17 PM


Re: Obama Defeat
Muslim and communist/socialist Obama fits the description of the biblical anti-christ.

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Taz
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Message 143 of 311 (668418)
07-20-2012 11:16 PM
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07-20-2012 1:59 PM


Re: BAIN
foreveryoung writes:
Listen here you son of a bitch. Don't tell me I hate people because of my understanding of how economics works and my ideas of property rights and individual freedom. Just because I don't believe in collectivism doesn't mean I hate the "little" people. Don't ever tell me who I hate or do hate again. You got that you little twerp? Don't fucking speak to me again if you are going to make mindless accusation like that.
foreveryoung from PM writes:
fuck you you son of a bitch. Don't reply to any of my messages again. Ok?
I'll say this again. For you to support the way people like Romney make money tells me you hate other people. My business is actually doing pretty well considering the fact that I have a full time job and does not spend as much time on my business as it deserves. And like I said before, my business directly helps people be productive in whatever profession they are involved with. I've helped carpenters, musicians, electricians, software developers, visual design artists, zoo keepers, etc. be more productive in their fields.
I could never imagine myself plotting to ruin the lives of entire communities just so I could make millions. I have this evil atheist satan worshipping agenda called a conscience.
And whoever said anything about collectivism? You appear to have the simplest understanding of economics and here you are trying to tell the rest of us we don't know shit.
Oh, and a word of advice, if you intend to live in the real world some day, you need thicker skin. I have gay friends that have faced homophobia all their lives from the very godly christian conservatives and my gay friends don't lose it as easy as you. I'm sure it's got something to do with their satan worshipping ways...

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foreveryoung
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Message 144 of 311 (668422)
07-21-2012 1:27 AM
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07-20-2012 6:04 PM


Re: cognitive dissonance again
The only way to end cognitive dissonance is to pursue the truth without bias and discarding a priori beliefs that are not supported by evidence.
That is what I am doing; sorry you cannot see it.

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foreveryoung
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Message 145 of 311 (668423)
07-21-2012 1:29 AM
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07-20-2012 11:16 PM


Re: BAIN
typical crap coming from you. Just shut your ignorant trap and leave me alone..got it?

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Message 146 of 311 (668424)
07-21-2012 1:31 AM
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07-20-2012 6:58 PM


Everyone one of them outside of the physical sciences that I've met is one. Lots of tree huggers in the geology department too.

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foreveryoung
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Message 147 of 311 (668425)
07-21-2012 1:32 AM
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07-20-2012 3:06 PM


Re: BAIN
foreveryoung writes:
people don't give a dam about any evidence that doesn't agree with them
Jon writes:
A fact of life best evidenced by...me
Couldn't have said it better myself.
Edited by foreveryoung, : No reason given.
Edited by foreveryoung, : No reason given.

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Message 148 of 311 (668427)
07-21-2012 2:22 AM
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07-21-2012 1:29 AM


Decaf, weedhopper
Or deep breaths, or warm milk, or something.
Don't get so wound up over things.
Adminnemooseus
ps: Yes, I have also seen what has happened further upthread.

Or something like that.

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Message 149 of 311 (668433)
07-21-2012 3:35 AM
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07-21-2012 1:31 AM


Everyone one of them outside of the physical sciences that I've met is one. Lots of tree huggers in the geology department too.
I had always supposed that a Marxist was one who followed the teachings of Karl Marx. If you now want to change the definition so that it means a person who snuggles with trees, then I would suggest that your powers to alter the English language may not be so extensive as you may imagine.

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RAZD
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Message 150 of 311 (668440)
07-21-2012 5:58 AM
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07-21-2012 1:27 AM


Re: cognitive dissonance again
Hi foreveryoung
The only way to end cognitive dissonance is to pursue the truth without bias and discarding a priori beliefs that are not supported by evidence.
That is what I am doing; sorry you cannot see it.
Curiously your replies say otherwise. You are wrapped up in a bitter emotional response mode rather than an open, seeking, and unbiased one.
To ignore evidence that counters beliefs is to ignore reality, and that is neither being unbiased nor open minded.
Enjoy

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