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onifre
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Message 9 of 236 (668524)
07-22-2012 2:10 PM


Death penalty
Anyone against giving this guy the death penalty?
- Oni

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onifre
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Message 15 of 236 (668576)
07-22-2012 8:59 PM
Reply to: Message 11 by Rahvin
07-22-2012 2:42 PM


Re: Death penalty
Another dead person would solve nothing but your bloodlust.
Well my 'bloodlust' does not influence the verdict or sentence. Colorado state law does. They have the death penalty, so it is a punishment that's available.
It wouldnt bring a single victim back to life or heal a single injury.
No sentence would do that. But you're not suggesting we don't punish him because the victims won't come back to life, right?
You agree that there should be some form of punishment?
Two wrongs dont make a right.
The death penalty is legal in the state of Colorado, so I don't see how that can be a "wrong" just like slaughtering 12 people and wounding how ever many more is a "wrong".
One's legal, one is a horrendous act of violence.
- Oni

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Message 17 of 236 (668578)
07-22-2012 9:10 PM
Reply to: Message 12 by jar
07-22-2012 3:56 PM


Re: Death penalty
Far too expensive and solves nothing.
Only on a individual inmate comparison. But "Life in prison" inmates out number death penalty inmates in any state by much much more. So the overall cost is still cheaper because there are far fewer death row inmates.
- Oni

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Message 18 of 236 (668579)
07-22-2012 9:12 PM
Reply to: Message 13 by Granny Magda
07-22-2012 4:53 PM


Re: Death penalty
Killing him won't solve anything.
It solves all the same problems as life in prison.
- Oni

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Message 19 of 236 (668580)
07-22-2012 9:19 PM
Reply to: Message 14 by vimesey
07-22-2012 5:02 PM


Re: Death penalty
It's hard to maintain a deterrence argument, when your future perpetrator is highly likely to be deranged - and as a society, I still like to feel that we are better than that.
The fact remains though that something needs to be done with him, and it is legal to perform the death penalty in Colorado. I feel this case, if we're just stating opinion, warrents it.
I do understand the desire to put people to death, if they themselves commit murder, but to preserve our own aspirations at civilization, and to prevent even one innocent person being put to death, I would still cast my vote not to have a death penalty.
Fair enough.
- Oni

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Message 21 of 236 (668583)
07-22-2012 9:26 PM
Reply to: Message 16 by Rahvin
07-22-2012 9:06 PM


Re: Death penalty
"Punishment" is a useless farce that just makes folks like you feel better about getting some good old fashioned vengeance.
I suppose it is a natural, biological trait. Why are you being all judgy about it like you're better cause you feel you're above it?
This man, from what I can tell needs to be indefinitely confined in a mental health facility for his own protection as well as that of society, until such time as he is no longer a threat to himself or others.
So lock him away and pump him full of drugs so you won't live in a world where the death penalty exists?
- Oni

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Message 22 of 236 (668584)
07-22-2012 9:32 PM
Reply to: Message 20 by jar
07-22-2012 9:20 PM


Re: Death penalty
Inmates are individuals. It is still cheaper to house the Death Row inmate for life than to go through the expenses involved in an execution.
Thought you meant the overall cost of both systems vs one another.
So you don't like death row just because it's cheaper?
Maybe that's why you decided not to become a mathematician; good decision.
You just wrote "too expensive" and I tried to figure out what you meant by that. Don't get all cunty, we're just getting started. Plenty of time for that later.
- Oni
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Message 26 of 236 (668622)
07-23-2012 8:52 AM
Reply to: Message 23 by Dr Adequate
07-22-2012 9:36 PM


Re: Death penalty
In this particular case, isn't it likely that he'll turn out to be a looney? I think that does make a difference.
Looney as in mental hospital instead of life in prison looney?
- Oni

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Message 27 of 236 (668624)
07-23-2012 8:55 AM
Reply to: Message 24 by jar
07-22-2012 9:44 PM


Re: Death penalty
I think the fact that life imprisonment is cheaper than our execution process is a valid reason to do away with the death penalty even if there were not other moral and practical considerations.
Fair enough. I don't agree but it seems reasonable.
- Oni

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Message 28 of 236 (668625)
07-23-2012 9:13 AM
Reply to: Message 25 by crashfrog
07-22-2012 9:51 PM


Re: Death penalty
That said, the fact that he was a summa cum laude student in neurology is fascinating to me. Like the Unibomber, I think there's a possibility that he may have been exposed to some experiment, or compound, that may have precipitated these actions.
I don't buy that an experiment turned Kaczynski into a Unibomber. But I'm sure this guy's whole history will be soon revealed and the media will act like vultures trying to capitalize on anything.
- Oni

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onifre
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Message 32 of 236 (668631)
07-23-2012 11:20 AM
Reply to: Message 30 by Granny Magda
07-23-2012 10:30 AM


Re: Death penalty
That sounds like a good argument for life in prison.
I don't feel the specifics of this case should award him life of any kind.
Killing him only adds to the death toll.
Not really a problem for me.
And that's without even considering that he is likely insane. Are we really going to execute the mentally ill?
Well, anyone opening fire in a movie theater cannot be said to be menatlly well considering. The only reason I would not want to see him get the death penalty is if he was mentally incapable of knowing right from wrong.
Don't see that being the case in this one. But we'll wait and see.
Leave him in jail. With any luck, he might some day grow a conscience and realise the severity of what he's done.
Or just kill him and forget about it.
- Oni

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Message 36 of 236 (668637)
07-23-2012 11:52 AM
Reply to: Message 35 by jar
07-23-2012 11:47 AM


Re: Death penalty
e question to ask yourself is whether the extra cost of vengeance is where you really want to spend your money and if so, why?
It's any extra cost for punishment, not vengeance. Which it seems we can all agree he should be punished in some way, right?
- Oni

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Message 37 of 236 (668638)
07-23-2012 11:53 AM
Reply to: Message 34 by Tangle
07-23-2012 11:44 AM


(cough) gun control (cough)
I thought I'd just drop it in; you never know it may just be a minor contributing factor. Possibly.
All for talking about it. What do you got?
- Oni

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Message 39 of 236 (668641)
07-23-2012 11:58 AM
Reply to: Message 38 by jar
07-23-2012 11:54 AM


Re: Death penalty
One form of punishment costs more than the other, which having searched it yesterday I found conflicting data on that. But let's just say it does to not drag this out. It has nothing to do with vengeance.
- Oni

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Message 42 of 236 (668659)
07-23-2012 3:07 PM
Reply to: Message 40 by crashfrog
07-23-2012 2:29 PM


Re: Death penalty
I think it's pretty well settled, at this point.
No it is not. Some media outlets ran with the story of his past and the experiemnts conducted at Harvard, but no authority on the matter has ever investigated or concluded such a thing.
Not the thread for it, so if you have evidence maybe post a link or start a thread.
- Oni

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