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Every American adult should be able to own a gun.
There should be few restrictions to owning guns.
There should be few limits to the number or size of those guns.
What could go wrong.As to the 2nd Amendment's statement on bearing arms: in the 200 years since it's inception it has proven itself to be indispensable.
What use would the removal of such an oft used and necessary stipulation be.
How many times would the citizenship have fallen to their own army's guns without that clause.And, furthermore, the Constitution cannot be wrong: IT IS MORE THAN 200 YEARS OLD!!
As the bible gets older, it more and more reflects modern society.
The same applies to the American Constitution.What does it matter if people are killed by gun-toting maniacs.
Do you really think that taking guns from maniacs will stop them from shooting people.Anyway, it was the victims' fault they were killed: they didn't bring their god-given guns to the cinema to defend themselves with.
In an ideal world, everyone at the cinema would have been armed and there would have been 100's of people firing their guns in the crowded auditorium.

I love this You said the other day there was no alpha male business going on here, and yet this smacks of it.So... I can't recall your stance on Intelligent Design, but if you oppose it, can I assume that's because you fear it?Like it or not, the vast majority of the civilised world looks at US attitudes towards guns and shakes it's head in disgust, whilst facepalming about how massacre after massacre just get ignored, forgotten. You can keep denying it all you want, but the fact remains that the rest of the western world is more socially advanced than the USA. You guys are living in the 20th century when it comes to things like pro-gun attitudes, anti-homosexual attitudes, anti-social programme attitudes, etc.I'm ashamed. I wish I could hide my accent better sometimes.Edited by Briterican, : used a more appropriate word in one instance

Thank you Bob. Your post summed up very well the astonishment with which Euros view this nonsense.I agree. It is sickening.

Do you have any idea how much that would cost? I realize its hyperbole, but the anti-gun crowd never seems to take the cost into account when they're all: "ZOMG, you could buy a grenade launcher, and a mini gun, and 100's of rifles n'stuff!".

What other explanation is there but fear when someone opposed gun ownership even by people who are never once in their life going to point that weapon at another human being? What other explanation is there but fear when someone sees even locked, unloaded firearms as more dangerous than an automobile?I'm willing to consider an alternate explanation for your viewpoint, but if the only thing you can say for your position is that you think these weapons present an unacceptable danger and you can't explain why, you're just proving my point that this is about gun-phobia, not an accurate risk assessment. They don't have the Second Amendment, or an especially murderous populace.

Like that makes any difference. I have a friend in Texas that has thousands of dollars worth of Lord of the Rings collectables. He could just as easily have invested that money in that other "hobby", merchant of death. In fact he could sell all that on ebay now and amass quite an arsenal in a matter of days. I'm hoping he doesn't, of course. It's sick to know, however, that you would wholeheartedly support his right to do so.

Is it really necessary to say why? Common sense perhaps? But if that's not enough for you, or you lack the capacity for it, I'll provide here the same "why" that I provided in the other thread.Map: Mass shootings in the US since 1990 - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)(please note, ABC is the Australian Broadcasting Corporation, yet another country that is pretty astonished at US gun attitudes)

I don't think you can sell firearms on eBay.

No, because we could explain very clearly and specifically why ID is rejected. Its the people that waffle and hyperbolize and just can't seem to put their finger on why they oppose guns so much that we can conclude are rejecting them out of fear. And they can kiss our red-white-n-blue asses!'Murica!!!!But seriously, I don't think our rights need to be adjusted for keeping citizens of other countries happy.

Probably not, I didn't say you could. I said he could sell his Lord of the Rings crap on ebay.Keep in mind however that apparently the CO shooter bought most of his ammo online.Edited by Briterican, : No reason given.

I agree with that statement, but would point out that it completely misses the point.

Look, right or wrong, the Constitution is the law. You can't just ignore it.

I agree. I can't argue with that. The Constitution does however have a history of modification. It's almost inevitable, assuming we end up with technology that would allow for handheld laser guns with the power to vaporise a person in one shot (that would be "arms" would it not? and thus you would have the right to own one, or twelve), that at SOME point, this particular part of the Constitution gets re-evaluated.Nonetheless, valid point crash and I don't dispute it.

The cost? Of course it does. Cost is the only thing prohibiting me from acquire the guns I'd love to have. I have an uncle with tens of thousands of dollars worth of firearms, including fully automatic ones and ones with grenade launchers. And they're all legal - you've got to be in the right state and have the right permits (the only ammo for the grenade launcher he can get is flares) . And he's never shot anything that was alive. Doesn't hunt at all. All we've ever shot was paper, bowling pins, wood, fruit, and dirt. I'm willing to listen to your explanation for why he shouldn't?

Only if you want me to believe it's something other than fear. I see. So it's not only your fear of guns, it's your fear of embarassment.