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DevilsAdvocate
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Message 207 of 236 (668931)
07-25-2012 7:04 PM
Reply to: Message 204 by crashfrog
07-25-2012 6:29 PM


Re: Gun control question
Since handguns and rifles are exactly the weapons you would use to defend against an invading army, the Second Amendment very clearly protects the right to ownership of these weapons.
If the text of the Second Amendment said "venison being damn tasty, the rights of the people to keep and bear hunting arms shall not be infringed" you'd have the latitude to ban handguns and rifles. But it doesn't say that, so you don't. Handguns are protected by the Second Amendment.
The Bill of Rights and specifically the 2nd Ammendment say nothing about a militia "defending against an army using handguns and assault rifles". These are all spins you are placing on this 220 year old piece of legislation.

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Message 208 of 236 (668932)
07-25-2012 7:16 PM
Reply to: Message 206 by hooah212002
07-25-2012 7:00 PM


Re: Gun control question
Genuinely curious and not trying to argue: isn't it the job of the Supreme Court to interpret the constitution?
Affirmative. But the Supreme Court has only ruled as in the case of the DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA, PETITIONERS v. DICK ANTHONY HELLER that the 2nd Ammendment supports the individuals right to firearm ownership not the interpretation of exactly what firearms in the 2nd ammendment covers. If there was a Supreme Court ruling that gave more granularity on what firearms the 2nd Ammendment covers I am more than willing to discuss it. Not that I think the Supreme Court is infallible of course (the Supreme Court also in the past upheld the practice of slavery amongst other legislation we would wish to forget).

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Message 219 of 236 (669091)
07-26-2012 8:48 PM
Reply to: Message 218 by Dr Adequate
07-26-2012 8:33 PM


Re: Gun control question
A pistol grip is something which allows you to hold something more or less at right-angles to the way it's pointing, like a pistol.
So, for example, this is a drill with a pistol grip.
It's still called a pistol grip even though it's on a drill and not a pistol.
Similarly, this gun, although it is not a pistol, has a pistol grip:
I second Dr. Adequate. You can have a pistol grip on any type of firearm it has no bearing on whether it is actually a pistol or not.

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Message 228 of 236 (669120)
07-27-2012 7:29 AM
Reply to: Message 225 by Dr Adequate
07-27-2012 1:17 AM


Re: Pistol Grip
Isn't this part of the law a regulation on nothing more than the appearance of the weapon?
Well, the military, who want their weapons to be assault weapons, use pistol grips, whereas skeet shooters (for example) who don't, use traditional rifle grips. Assuming that both groups know what they're doing, I suppose that there must be something about the ergonomics of the pistol grip that makes for a better assault weapon.
A pistol grip on a semi-automatic or automatic rifle, submachine gun or machine gun makes it easier to shoot someone at close-in situations than just with a stock without a pistol grip. Hence, one of the reasons this is used to qualify it as an 'assault' rifle. It is probably easier to use and more stable when used in a close-quarters gun fight i.e. a room by room sweep with a firearm without a pistol grip than with one.
The Navy still uses the M14 because a) it is still meets its purpose in providing force protection but also b) it is very expensive to switch out weapons for the entire fleet (though some commands have replaced them entirely). So it is a little of both. Is the M14 the most effective weapon we should use in close quarters situations. Probably not, it is a 60+ year old firearm, but we have to weigh-in cost vs benefit in replacing them. We do however supplament them with the M16 and other weaponry.
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