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onifre
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Message 43 of 236 (668660)
07-23-2012 3:10 PM 		Reply to: Message 41 by New Cat's Eye
07-23-2012 2:31 PM

Re: Death penalty
I just read online that the prosecution is going to wait to see if they're going to pursue the death penalty until after speaking with the families of the victims. I think that's a good way to go about it; If the families of the victims think they'll feel better if this guy gets the death penalty, then that's reason enough for me.
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I read the same thing, and I agree. If the families want him dead then they should go for the death penalty.
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And I get my bloodlust satisfied.
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I, personally, would rather be put to death than sit in a small room for 50+ years... well, I guess that depends on the drugs.
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I'd ask to be allowed to overdose on heroin.
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- Oni
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Message 188 of 236 (668903)
07-25-2012 4:39 PM 		Reply to: Message 153 by fearandloathing
07-24-2012 2:56 PM

Re: Gun control question
Ok...Once all the handguns are gone the people will be getting killed with rifles and shotguns
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Getting rid of handguns would be a great first step though. Getting rid of all guns with the exception of hunting rifles and shotguns (that then need to be registered) seems like the way to go for me.
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There is no reason to have an armed public, at all. I don't think cops should be armed either, with the exception of special task forces (Swat, DEA, detectives, etc.)
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then we get rid of them and use knives??? Where does it end?
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It's very easy to fight off a knife attack, and very few end in death.
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- Oni
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Message 190 of 236 (668907)
07-25-2012 4:55 PM 		Reply to: Message 189 by fearandloathing
07-25-2012 4:48 PM

Re: Gun control question
How do we realistically do that?
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The government can do anything it wants. There are I'm sure many ways to carry that out. First make the manufacturing of hand guns and assault (whatever the fuck) weapons illegal, and go from there.
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Controlling ammunition seems to be a better long term solution to me.
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From what I understand, it's not hard at all to make your own ammo.
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Message 195 of 236 (668914)
07-25-2012 5:19 PM 		Reply to: Message 192 by fearandloathing
07-25-2012 5:10 PM

Re: Gun control question
Short of door to door searches how do we get rid of handguns?
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Well again, there needs to be a first step. It's not an over night thing; it will take years.
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Off the top of my head, I'd say first make the sale and manufacturing illegal, then make owning and carrying a handgun illegal. Then begin a "turn in your gun to avoid a fine/arrest" program at all police stations. Then, after a resonable amount of time, anyone caught with one is punished (start with a fine and the gun is taken away, all the way to jail time for not following the law.)
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Or something like that. It can be done.
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Controlling reloading wouldn't be that hard, powder, primers and bullets could be controlled same as any other ammo..
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If you think it is easy to make your own black powder or gun. cotton...ect... then I urge you to try.
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I'm only talking about handguns and assault rifles. Not a black powder hunting gun. But sure, the bullets of those weapons would be illegal too.
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- Oni
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Message 197 of 236 (668916)
07-25-2012 5:23 PM 		Reply to: Message 194 by crashfrog
07-25-2012 5:17 PM

Re: Gun control question
I don't see how you get to that while the Second Amendment exists.
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Making handguns and assualt rifles illegal does not violate the Second Amendment.
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- Oni
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Message 202 of 236 (668924)
07-25-2012 6:04 PM 		Reply to: Message 200 by fearandloathing
07-25-2012 5:45 PM

Re: Gun control question
Am I going to be paid the fair market value of my guns when I turn them in?? What about historical guns? Would I be paid a fair price for my 1851 Colt Navy Revolver?
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Sure, I guess. All that can be detailed. The point was it can be done.
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Message 203 of 236 (668925)
07-25-2012 6:07 PM 		Reply to: Message 201 by crashfrog
07-25-2012 5:57 PM

Re: Gun control question
Since citizens of the United States are explicitly given the right to bear militia arms that they could use for defense of the security of the state, it most certainly would - in the same way that telling an American citizen that he could not petition the government for the redress of a grievance would violate the First.
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No it wouldn't. I said handguns and assault rifles, I said nothing about hunting rifles and shotguns for sport/defense.
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The Second Amendment doesn't protect the right of Americans to own small-bore rifles and shotguns so that they can hunt or target shoot. It protects the right of Americans to own arms that they can muster in defense of the nation.
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Right, so making handguns and assualt rifles illegal would not violate any of that.
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- Oni
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Message 231 of 236 (669318)
07-29-2012 5:47 AM 		Reply to: Message 204 by crashfrog
07-25-2012 6:29 PM

Re: Gun control question
Took it to the gun thread...
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Don't suspend me you guys!
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- Oni
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