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petrophysics1
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Message 33 of 51 (669864)
08-04-2012 9:41 AM
Reply to: Message 30 by Panda
08-03-2012 9:11 PM


Re: British despotism
All the channels I listed are free to all without satellite or cable.
Spoken like a person who has lost so much freedom he doesn't even notice when he's being fucked.
TV in the US is free. How about in the UK?
A television licence is required for each household where television programmes are watched as they are broadcast, irrespective of the signal method (terrestrial, satellite, cable or the Internet).
The licence fee is used almost entirely to fund the BBC's domestic radio, television and internet services.
The current licence costs 145.50 (174.99) (PER YEAR) for a colour licence and 49.00 (58.89) for monochrome.
A small portion of the licence fee is used by the BBC to enforce payment,
As it is classified in law as a tax,[56] evasion is a criminal offence.
From:Television licence - Wikipedia
So let's see, you say the BBC is not run by the gov't, but it is inforcing a gov't tax, is funded by a tax, and is picking up/identifying people for a criminal offence.
I'd be more than a little concerned if an "independent company" was doing this in the US.
Back to the topic. The second amendment identifies an individual right to keep and bear arms which predates the US Constitition. Anyone who has read the Federalist Papers knows this.
All Federal firearms regulations are based upon the commerce clause. As such a number of states have passed or are working on passing laws which state that if a firearm is manufactured in a state and never leaves it the Federal gov't and Congress has no right to pass regulations about it. This is intrastate commerce and only the state can regulate that. This is a 10th amendment issue.
In Wyoming there are no regulations about my right to carry a knife, nothing about blade lenght etc.
Wyoming is also a right to carry state which means I can openly carry a firearm nearly anywhere. If asked to leave a store etc. because I have a gun, I must or I will be guilty of trespass.
Last July the Wyoming law changed and now as a resident I have the right to carry concealed just as a person with a permit does. The only reason to get a permit is to have it recognized in other states.
In Wyoming only the state can regulate firearms. This means that no county, city, town etc. can pass laws concerning anything about firearms.
Wyoming also recognizes that I have a right to protect myself, my family, my community, my property and the state. This right is not bestowed on me by gov't as your rights in the UK are. They come from the Creator and as such predate both the US and Wyoming Constitutions. Constitutions may codify this right but they do not give it. A number of laws in Wyoming and its Constitution state this very thing , so don't think I'm some kind of nut.
I have never met a "gun nut" who wanted to force me to do anything or to take my property or force me to pay them money. I have met and seen many in gov't who who think it's perfectly fine to use the force of arms to make me and others comply.
Two days ago I was canoeing on Burnt Lake with my wife. We stopped at a small beach and while taking a piss noticed fresh mountain lion scat on the ground. My wife pointed out fresh front bear paw prints in the muddy sand next to the lake. A big sucker, prints 8-10" across. The area just east of my house is either National forest or part of the Bridger Teton National Wilderness. Now you may wish to walk around there unarmed but I have other plans than being eaten at present.
Last year I was in the Boulder store/bar and saw flyers for info on a resident who was missing. Last seen on the 4 wheel drive to road to Burnt Lake where he was going hiking. He has never been found.
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petrophysics1
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Message 37 of 51 (669871)
08-04-2012 2:41 PM
Reply to: Message 36 by Jon
08-04-2012 11:27 AM


Re: Proper arm selection and dealing with animals
May I ask what you carry and whether it'd be sufficient to protect against a large bear like the one you describe?
Or is a loud bang all it takes to send a bear running?
When by myself or with my wife out hiking, canoeing, prospecting, fishing etc. I usually have my 8mm Mauser with hunting ammo (as you know hunting ammo is far deadlier than the military stuff. I use that for practice. I have a lot I bought surplus years ago for 4.7 cents a round). ( sometimes I'll bring the pump 12 ga with slugs) My sidearm is almost always my Colt 1911 in .45 ACP.
In areas where bears are hunted just them noticing you will get them to leave. Most usually you were down wind and they didn't smell you first. I had to scare them out of my camp sites a number of times. They have so far always left, but maybe they were just not pissed off or in a bad mood. My expierence is with black bears, grizzlies and big browns are another story. I read many stories where they were shot many times but still mauled the shooter and then went off to die.
Stay away from them in National Parks, if you have to run, run downhill, their front legs are shorter and they can't go downhill as well. Bears climb well so if you climb a tree pick a small one they don't do well on these and may just leave you up there.
For mountain lions keep looking around, they like to sneak up on their prey or ambush them. Watch a house cat hunt and you'll know what I mean, they hunt the same.
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petrophysics1
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Message 38 of 51 (669872)
08-04-2012 3:01 PM
Reply to: Message 35 by NoNukes
08-04-2012 10:56 AM


Re: American despotism
I note that the Commerce Clause has been found to apply to food grown at home for personal use.
Yes I am aquainted with this decision done during the 1930s under that progressive/socialist FDR.
Hopefully it will become known as the Dred Scott decision of the 1930s.
Perhaps it would be good if more people realized that the Federal Gov't believes it has the right to tell you what you can or can't grow for food on your own property. Twisting the meaning of the commerce clause, it reminds me of the pigs in Animal Farm and how they would change the laws by adding a word here and there. I'd love to hear what the Founders would say about that.
Once again we see the threat to our liberty and freedom coming not from the "gun nuts" but from government.
Montana has filed a suit against the Federal Gov't on the use of the Commerce Clause to control guns intrastate. We'll see how that goes.
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Message 39 of 51 (669873)
08-04-2012 3:05 PM
Reply to: Message 34 by xongsmith
08-04-2012 10:50 AM


Re: free TV (off topic)
As Woody says in "Pretty Boy Floyd":
As I travel through this country I meet a lot of funny men.
Some'll rob you with a six-gun, some with a fountain pen.
But as through this life you ramble, as through this life you roam,
You won't never see an outlaw drive a family from their home.
I like this quote so much I think I'll put it on my face book page.
Thanks
P.S. TV was a lot better 40 years ago. At my place in Wyoming I get no over the air TV channels and will not pay for sat TV (100 channels of nothing to watch). Have many many VHS and DVD movies but usually get on shortwave and chat with someone somewhere else in the US or overseas.
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petrophysics1
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Message 41 of 51 (669876)
08-04-2012 6:47 PM
Reply to: Message 40 by Granny Magda
08-04-2012 4:27 PM


Re: Proper arm selection and dealing with animals
Perhaps I should have been more specific. My friend John who I met on the radio has canoed thousands of miles throughout Northern Ontario. I was the same age as his son and he invited me to go canoe tripping with them. He taugh me a lot and have never known him to have been wrong. As he explained it if they try to run fast down a very steep hill they will go head over heals.
With bears it is best to do what Peachy said in "The Man Who Would Be King"...."brass it out Danny". Don't run, open fire (however in National Parks you can't walk around with a gun)
In support of John and myself I offer the following, this internet posting:
I have researched this over the net, but there is no defining evidence to support, "If you run down hill, you can out-run a bear." but on that note, nothing is said as to how steep of a hill either. But, a bear runs like a horse, both up and down a hills.
A bear will not pursue something that is going down a steep enough grade of hill, because they will sit back on their haunches, to keep from falling forward, going head over heels. A person can even out-run a horse down steep enough of a hill, because of the same reason. A horse will sit back on it's haunches down too steep of a hill.
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I have owned an Ovaro Paint and a Blue Appalousa when I lived in Washington State. Neither horse will run flat out down a steep hill no matter what I did to make them do it.
I, on the other hand, will shoot the D*%n bear if it charges.
In the movie "The Edge" watch how the bear goes down a steep slope while chasing Anthony Hopkins, Alec Baldwin and the black guy. He is not running flat out, he is doing what the guy above said.
Game trails of deer and antelope when hitting a steep slope do not go straight up and down. They switchback. When surprising deer and antelope on occasion I have seen them run away going straight uphill, but usually laterally. Never seen one take off straight down a steep slope.
Find a steep hill, get on all fours, and see if you can go faster up or going down.
BTW since I know how to rock climb, I can "outrun" a bear going straight up or down a cliff.
Is this off topic, yeh, but so what.
P.S. When running down a very steep hill you must do it running on your heels, not the balls of your feet, or you too will go head over heels.
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