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Author Topic:   Why would God write a book of lies and why would you worship such a being?
Taz
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Message 10 of 86 (670024)
08-08-2012 4:35 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by foreveryoung
08-07-2012 11:38 PM


Back when I was in college, I had a professor that was a Hebrew scholar. He was my ethics professor, actually. You could say he was the mentor who changed my mind about homosexuals.
Anyway, in one of our many discussions, he told me that after years of studying the old testament, he had become convinced that a lot of it was man's inability to understand god adequately. Now, remember that he was a true believer in god.
He pointed out to me that there were sections in the old testament where god outright commanded the israelites to slaughter entire civilizations. But then after those sections, god began to stop commanding outright and started negotiating as well as sending prophets. I used to be able to track down all the examples. This was back when I was still studying the bible very intensely.
The point is my ethics professor believed that whatever god commanded the isralites to do it sure as hell wasn't to kill every man, woman, and child of entire cities like Jericho. After a while, god realized that the barbarians kept misunderstanding his commands, and so he started talking to them and sending prophets to make the communications earlier instead of sending them commands that kept getting misinterpreted.
This might be worth pursuing? After all, if you believe in the literal interpretation of the bible, you will have to accept that killing every man, woman, and child of a city to rob it of gold, silver, and brass is morally right. And don't even think you can weasel your way out of this.
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Taz
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Message 27 of 86 (670083)
08-08-2012 2:49 PM
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08-08-2012 7:59 AM


Re: the philosophy of belief/understanding
Phat writes:
Why would God, by definition,realize something only "after a while"? Does not God know all things including all human thoughts?
A while ago, on this forum I suggested that if you step back and read the bible objectively, you will realize that the bible is a life story of god's own evolution.
I didn't come up with this idea on my own, you know. This was pointed out to me by my ethics professor. He didn't believe that god was all knowing or all powerful.
In short, god started out as a child. He made the garden of eden with a forbidden fruit knowing that if you tell a child not to do something chances are he'll do it. Only a child would create such a scenario. Later on in the old testament, god commanded the israelites to exterminate entire civilizations. Every man, woman, and child. Sounds like an angry teenager to me... you know, like foreveryoung. The later parts of the old testament present a god that is willing to talk and negotiate to the israelites instead of just commanding them outright to kill and commit genocide.
And then the new testament comes along which tells us of this god that is all loving. He's even got a son! Finally sounds like a father figure to me.
It's only modern christians like you people that believe god has always been omnipotent and omnipresent. You don't even bother to really study the bible. You just repeat what those hate mongering preachers told you in the first place.
Of course, if we toss the Bible as a reference to how God is and how He behaves, we are then grasping at philosophical straws.
Sounds to me like you're not willing to discuss this at all. I see that it was a mistake for god to give you a brain and the ability to think.
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