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NoNukes
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Message 43 of 311 (667910)
07-13-2012 3:02 PM
Reply to: Message 39 by Jon
07-13-2012 12:20 PM


Think man, think.
Does the president's gender matter?
You've asked a series of questions each of which seems to suggest that one poster or the other is an idiot.
If you go back and read Jazzns post, it is pretty clear that he is proposing that a specific woman, namely Elizabeth Warren, might become president.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal and hasten the resurrection of the dead. William Lloyd Garrison

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Message 90 of 311 (667982)
07-14-2012 10:13 PM
Reply to: Message 89 by foreveryoung
07-14-2012 9:07 PM


Re: The Roots of the Subprime Mortgage Mess Have Clinton All Over Them
It is actually those who are politically active and informed that are listened to the most. The ones who are not active or informed are the ones most influenced by political ads. If you want to win you must listen to the informed and to those who provide you money to put out ads.
If you want to win, you must listen influence the largest number of voters. That does not necessarily mean influencing politically active or informed voters, but it might mean getting influential ones on your side. In fact, winning might very well mean duping uninformed voters.
I'd also disagree that dirt poor people and uninformed people are predominantly conservative, or that becoming informed means being fed predominantly a conservative or liberal message. Being informed means being provided facts regardless of which side they favor.
Of course, it appears that reality itself has a liberal bias, so perhaps that's one way to justify what you are saying. If fair and balanced means equal time based on ideology, perhaps ultra-conservatives do need a thumb on the scale.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal and hasten the resurrection of the dead. William Lloyd Garrison

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NoNukes
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Message 169 of 311 (669149)
07-27-2012 12:44 PM
Reply to: Message 168 by Jon
07-27-2012 6:01 AM


Luckily us 'lazy bastards' outnumber folks like your brother-in-law.
A substantial number of 'us' think and vote just like the brother-in-law.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal and hasten the resurrection of the dead. William Lloyd Garrison

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Message 209 of 311 (669492)
07-30-2012 1:21 PM
Reply to: Message 207 by ramoss
07-30-2012 11:31 AM


Romney on US Policy with Israel...
Romney quoted in the article cited by ramoss...
quote:
'Well I think because I'm on foreign soil I don't want to be creating new foreign policy for my country or in any way to distance myself in the foreign policy of our nation. But we respect the right of a nation to defend itself,'
As if Obama's position on Israel is different from any other presidents. Didn't Bush insist on and get Israeli restraint during the war with Iraq? Was such insistence to be considered not respecting the right of a nation to defend itself?

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal and hasten the resurrection of the dead. William Lloyd Garrison

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NoNukes
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Message 244 of 311 (670334)
08-12-2012 9:33 PM
Reply to: Message 229 by Dr Adequate
08-12-2012 11:02 AM


Re: Negative Ads
foreveryoung writes:
There is nothing lying about that ad. Everyone who isn't brainwashed knows obama believes exactly that....people who are successful did not achieve that success on their own merits.
Dr. Adequate writes:
You are not so stupid that you don't know what he meant.
There is another possible meaning of fy's statement. The Republican ad is a distortion of what Obama actually said, but that distortion would not be a lie if Obama actually believes something similar to that distortion. It also would not be a lie, strictly speaking, if the person behind the ad believed the distortion.
In other words, it isn't a lie if you actually believe it.
For good or ill, some people believe all kinds of things about Obama regardless of what he actually says and does and despite all evidence to the contrary. I have no doubt that Buzsaw believes everything he says about Obama, no matter how ridiculous.
Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal and hasten the resurrection of the dead. William Lloyd Garrison

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NoNukes
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Message 245 of 311 (670336)
08-12-2012 10:55 PM
Reply to: Message 240 by Dr Adequate
08-12-2012 7:15 PM


Re: Negative Ads
It's not improbable that Obama will win the electoral college vote but lose the popular vote, in which case look out for a lot of red states signing up for this.
What would be the enforcement mechanism for such an agreement? I am trying to imagine all of the red states following the agreement when a cross-dressing, liberal, socialist, candidate wins the popular vote.
I find it difficult to imagine a court enforcing the agreement. Presently, there is no clear constitutional mandate for the electors to even follow their states orders on how to vote.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal and hasten the resurrection of the dead. William Lloyd Garrison

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NoNukes
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Message 258 of 311 (670373)
08-13-2012 2:18 PM
Reply to: Message 246 by Dr Adequate
08-13-2012 1:44 AM


Re: Electoral College Reform
t's possible for states to sign legally binding treaties with one another. What exactly would happen if one of them reneged on such a treaty I don't know, but I do know that they can do it.
That's my point.
Currently a sizable number of states, many of them red states, do not even attempt to bind their delegates to voting as per the state election results. No one has ever been punished for failing to do so.
The Electoral College
quote:
There is no federal law or constitutional provision requiring electors to vote for the party that nominated them, and over the years a number of electors have voted against the instructions of the voters. The most recent example of a faithless elector was probably an accident: in 2008, a Minnesota elector nominated by the Democratic party cast a ballot for John Edwards, the vice presidential running mate of John Kerry. It is not common for an elector to vote for the other party's candidate, however: remember that most electors are selected by the political party for their party loyalty, and many are party leaders. The last time an elector crossed party lines was in 1972, when an elector nominated by the Republican party cast his ballot for the Libertarian ticket.
Some states have passed laws that require their electors to vote as pledged. These laws may either impose a fine on an elector who fails to vote according to the statewide or district popular vote, or may disqualify an elector who violates his or her pledge and provide a replacement elector. None of these laws have been implemented -- no elector has ever been penalized or replaced -- nor have they been fully vetted by the courts.
State signs binding agreement; State elector votes for the Libertarian candidate instead of Romney, and state does .... ????

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal and hasten the resurrection of the dead. William Lloyd Garrison

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NoNukes
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Message 259 of 311 (670374)
08-13-2012 2:22 PM
Reply to: Message 247 by Buzsaw
08-13-2012 5:08 AM


Re: Gotta Be Woeful Ignorance.
It's like if they were Jews in Germany and could easily ...
Gratuitous Hitler reference noted. Godwin vindicated again.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal and hasten the resurrection of the dead. William Lloyd Garrison

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NoNukes
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Message 296 of 311 (670602)
08-16-2012 12:55 PM
Reply to: Message 288 by New Cat's Eye
08-16-2012 11:59 AM


The small businesses that working people have built themselves don't pay near enough in taxes? How much do they pay and how much should they pay? If Obama's speach was softening those people up for taxes, then Romney's ad is right that they don't want to vote for him.
Perhaps they won't want to vote for Obama because they don't want to pay higher taxes. But the ad proposes a completely different reason. Unless you believe that a lie is okay in the service of a good cause, they your argument is not germane.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal and hasten the resurrection of the dead. William Lloyd Garrison.
Choose silence of all virtues, for by it you hear other men's imperfections, and conceal your own. George Bernard Shaw

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NoNukes
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Message 298 of 311 (670614)
08-16-2012 2:17 PM
Reply to: Message 276 by foreveryoung
08-16-2012 9:35 AM


Re: Vote for Pedro
And romney's dad was an american citizen. What about obama's dad?
Wooossshhhh!!!

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal and hasten the resurrection of the dead. William Lloyd Garrison.
Choose silence of all virtues, for by it you hear other men's imperfections, and conceal your own. George Bernard Shaw

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